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I want to get emancipated purely because of my schizophrenia

Postby matthewcashew » Sun Sep 04, 2011 1:33 am

I cant live in my house anymore. Ive made my room evil and everytime i go in there anxiety and delusions almost automatically set in. I also cant stand living with other people, even if they are my family. They make me self conscious and i cant talk to myself which makes me feel so much better.
Would this be a good enough reason for a judge. I feel like he could see my side of it, but on the other hand, he may think im not mentally capable of living alone(which i believe i am)
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Re: I want to get emancipated purely because of my schizophr

Postby ocular_razor » Sun Sep 04, 2011 6:30 am

how did you make your room evil if you don't mind me askin

i personally would tell no judge anything regarding medical records. no way no how.

while the judge may 'see your side', he is supposed to superimpose two sides onto what statutes say. but i would not be willing to bargain that his personal bias would not be factored into the equation.
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Re: I want to get emancipated purely because of my schizophr

Postby crazymoth » Sun Sep 04, 2011 8:25 am

I convinced my parents that I could live alone. Mind you, I was already 25 years old, but I did have schizophrenia and badly. I told myself that I needed to get out on my own and thats what I did. I moved to another state all by myself...

It turned out ok though. I was completely lonely but I really enjoyed myself. I think everyone needs to get out on their own at some point.

But I wouldn't rush it... You have your whole life ahead of you. Play it smart, maybe tackle higher education, then anything is possible.

Take baby steps first... Small moves. Get your head on straight, get medicated so you can think clearly, and set small goals toward your future, In your case moving out, maybe go to school, get a job, etc.

Well... What eventually happened with me is that I got so very lonely and the only company I had was that of my illness. I got my fill of freedom... And eventually moved back in with my Mom. I have my own room, pets, a work from home job, enuf to buy some toys, life is good.

So don't rush it... There's pleny of time. And it sounds like you need to be around people with this illness, especially at your stage. But... If freedom is paramount to you right now, go for it. We learn by doing.

Good luck with the judge. If he even hears you have a mental illness I doubt it will go well for you. Keep us updated. :P
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Re: I want to get emancipated purely because of my schizophr

Postby matthewcashew » Sun Sep 04, 2011 2:50 pm

I have another year and a half left of highschool, so ill work on getting a job and convincing my parents to let me move out without involving a judge.
The reason my room is eviil is because instead of going on walks to clear my head, which i would go on if i didnt have to explain to people where im going, thats what works best for me, i stay in my room and think and think and think. so thats where ive had the worst delusions and hallucinations and racing thoughts. I can barely sleep, which i know is only making it worse. My thoughts have no inhibitions in my room because ive alraedy gone so far in there.
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Re: I want to get emancipated purely because of my schizophr

Postby crazymoth » Sun Sep 04, 2011 10:38 pm

Have you thought of making a little sacred space in your room?

I have one. It's just a little space on top of my book case. I have a statue of a little Buddha with pretty stones I picked up at the crystal shop. It has a large pink quartz crystal right in the middle. You can order them too. You can do anything so long as it's yours. They also have these little fountains you can get at Walmart. I had one but it was a pain refilling it with water every few days.

I think this sacred space or little temple could really help... also a clean room of course. And maybe some new posters - relaxing ones to be sure.

And if you have Xmas lights hanging around your room, take them down. lol :D
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Re: I want to get emancipated purely because of my schizophr

Postby ocular_razor » Sun Sep 04, 2011 11:28 pm

in regards to work and school and emancipation:

firstly it's always best to try and handle things directly instead of going straight toward a third-party, this case being the courts, so i think it would be best as you said to talk to your parents first and foremost.

i can't remember exactly the 'child-labor' laws or if you're even in the u.s., but if i remember correctly it's somewhere like a max of 20 hours a week. the income tax brackets changed with obama too. it used to be that around $15,000/year you would owe 23.5% to the feds and then like 3% to local and state. but i think the tax brackets now for 15,000 is down to 10% to the feds. i don't feel like looking up the exact numbers so this is just a generalization.

but figure your at max 80 hours a month, probably at a minimum wage job of 7 bucks or whatever it is now per hour. sure there 'are' studio apartments, those are like 300 bucks rent and suffice just finely. but you can expect the majority of apartments being double that. that's before utitilities like sewage garbage electric gas etc. then you gotta have food which racks up quickly.

all i'm suggesting here is that if you do manage to work to find a place to stay, find a roommate. but since you don't like living with people be smart in your apartment search if you end up opting to go for it. of course, the pizza delivery drivers i worked with get paid hourly along with tips along with gas expenses. but then you got the initial expense of buying a car and then insurance costs constant maintenance etc. tough call.

a quick addition -> look for 'utilities included'. as long as the rent isn't high of course. you also save yourself from handling a bunch of different itemized lists and can pay just one lump sum each month to the owner/subletter.
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Re: I want to get emancipated purely because of my schizophr

Postby ocular_razor » Mon Sep 05, 2011 5:40 am

oh yea i'm not sure exactly why i went off on income taxes, you probably wouldn't have to pay them anyway, under 10,000 if i'm not mistaken. don't let them crooks get a free loan of the money you earned by your agreein to withhold taxes from your paycheck (if it's not under the table).

the reserve wants 10-25% on top of loans they give but withholding means they get loans from you at no charge. it's a scam. just save your paystubs throughout the year and when you fill out the forms you will see how much you owe. but if it's under the threshold you just send the form in no payment. otherwise if you allow them a free loan ya gotta wait until they're good and ready to send an overpayment back to ya. and who knows if the entire monetary system is even still afloat by that time.

the whole thing is a scam. geitner wrote the current tax code. he opted to not pay his income and he was busted. he blamed it on 'quickbooks'. the irs stands for the holy roman empire.
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Re: I want to get emancipated purely because of my schizophr

Postby visualizations » Mon Sep 05, 2011 10:52 pm

The easiest possible way to do it is by being more extroverted, once you have that down you can have a more autonomous life. It would be very hard at this time to carry yourself everyday like that working at some low paying job. What I did was move in with a friend, and we smoked weed all the time. went to local parties, we both worked part time at UPS, I worked overnight for 9.50. He went over to his girlfriends house alot, and I would sit around and play video games. His mom was a nurse, and the house was large and empty most of the time. His room was upstairs so it was private. I would go skateboarding with friends. eventually, I moved back in with my dad for a short while. Then my friend from childhood invited me into his realm. Which is basically the underground leftist movement. He lived in a three story house downtown chicago with no rent because the landlord went to europe. There were about 8 people living there, and we would get travelers all the time. It turns out that there are large amounts of these "communes" in big cities and in the more scenic areas also. One time some of them gathered at a university for some kind of speech thing on various things. Everyone had different personalities, some were straight edge others partied alot. There was a collective of only girls near by, they would have parties all the time there. Some of these people were like eco-hippie types, hipsters, leftist intellectuals, punks, glam transexuals and so on. Everyone got along perfectly. My friend taught me how to hitchhike, this network is connected through the entire US. I went from Illinois to Pennsylvania, but stopped at indiana for a week at another collective house. In Pennsylvania there was a rockslide that covered up a block of houses. Younger people then started living in the houses. I met a 16 year old traveling with an 18 year old from oregon to florida to live on a farm, they stopped at the house. They were taking trains and hitchhiking all the way. He was gone from home for years, at first his parents were worried, but then they found out that hes skilled at this sort of thing. There were so many parties, protests like riding around on a bike with alot of people in the streets of chicago, film shows, music shows and other things. I ended up in the weirdest places, theres alot of resources in chicago and alot of people are part of it, some friends cooked dinner at a middle school at night it was pretty fancy. I only had to pay a little for internet while staying there, and I had my own room upstairs. But most of the time you need a part time job for some rent in most of these places. I had something to do everyday without money, but I did feel like a freeloader so I was looking for a job. I wasen't that much of a freeloader because I contributed with cleaning, cooking, gardening, etc. Stores actually carry excess food products, then throw them out or give out boxes to people. Then we would feed the homeless and ourselves with it. The whole thing had a model of reciprocity mostly without money kind of like how San Fransico was in the 60s. There was this awesome bagel shop that threw out alot of bagels into the trash, but they were piled on top of each other so they were clean. The odwalla factory also throws out boxes of juices, along with many other places. Whole foods for example gives away food if you are in those feeding programs. Many people had intricate knowledges of things like herbalism, in indiana this guy was picking out all these plants at just a regular park that did amazing things. There was one schizophrenic that I knew which had a favorable personality. The thing about being included in these sorts of things is that you can't have like a bad attitude, or be antisocial in anyway because people find out quickly and kick you out. The point is that yes, younger people are pretty successful at organizing and making a pretty leisurely living if they are willing to contribute to a common cause. So the first thing I would do is maybe take a medication that alleviates social anxiety, and then slowly make some friends that are into this sort of thing. Then overtime you might get accepted into one of these houses, but they usually have a waiting list. It is alot more fun than finding roomates on craigslist if you don't enjoy a solitary life style. Which you do seem to like, but there are vast opportunities for growth in these type of enviornments. Sometimes it is what people need, inclusion instead of seclusion. You also need rapid street smarts, and alot of knowledge so you don't get hurt. But it is very possible.
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Re: I want to get emancipated purely because of my schizophr

Postby matthewcashew » Wed Sep 07, 2011 12:53 am

So... youre saying i should run away and become a communist? cus you sure did convince me. It sounds loving and free. thats exactly what i want out of moving out. i dont necessarily want to be rid of people, just oppressions like parents.
It seems hard to just jump into a lifestyle like that when you dont know anything about it.
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Re: I want to get emancipated purely because of my schizophr

Postby ocular_razor » Wed Sep 07, 2011 1:38 am

what it comes down to is resources. people forget that communism doesn't mean 'no resources' but 'shared resources'.

it's a matter of talking to the right people. and having something to bring to the table. the widespread resource is cash at least initially. whether it pays for your food while you make connections, or it pays for gas to get to where connections can be made unless you hitch.

but i'm gonna tell ya that if ya run out without any cash or initial resources and no connections, you're gonna be hungry soon enough. being homeless in the city is better than the country because at least there's leftovers in the city. but i haven't met any communers in the city. and it's easy to get stuck.

ya gotta be smart about it. when you're sayin 'so you're suggesting i just run away and become a communist' you are forgetting that he said he already had a place to stay, he had places to go to make connections, he had initial resources to carry out plans. ya can get lucky and decide to run off, holding nothing, and strike gold, but the odds are for you that you'll just be another bum in the city.

'that' is not what you're looking for, nobody looks for that specifically. homeless in the city is ok if you've got some cash, some places ya can't go to sleep at though. it don't matter if you're lookin to chip in at a business or a commune, most people spit on bums plain and simple and won't connect with ya.

build something up first before ya decide. it is most certainly 'freeing' but it is miserable if you've got nothing in your pockets and no one to join along the journey. if i'da done it differently, tryin to set up shop on a whim i'da looked for the farms first and just sucked up the hunger and thirst. i didn't have any connections that shared the same sentiment of commune life and that was an important thing to lack in.

also the 9-5 job never jibed with me but 'trading' does. but it comes down to resources. that initial investment. flea markets, farmer's markets, all ya do is talk to people. communism is about business as much as capitalism is don't forget that.
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