Schizophrenia, Psychic, and our Government 1

mirage...you must be kindof pissed off at the psychiatry profession in how it deals with schizophrenia...hm? mean, shitt, you still have the disease.

seems to me that psychiatry lacks trained people for knowing how to cure it...hm? schizophrenia is by NO means all a chemical, genetic thing. I think the social component is extremely overlooked!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

johnbc wrote:mirage...you must be kindof pissed off at the psychiatry profession in how it deals with schizophrenia...hm? mean, shitt, you still have the disease.seems to me that psychiatry lacks trained people for knowing how to cure it...hm? schizophrenia is by NO means all a chemical, genetic thing. I think the social component is extremely overlooked!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Not really. I know that we live in the 21st century, and the medicine can only do so much. Scientists still don't know much about the human brain. They can't even properly diagnose the illness. To think that they try to treat it is hard to believe. I have to say that they are pretty successful so far. They can treat most patients with their meds since 1950s. Of course, the side effects are nasty, but compare it with the treatment of cancer, and you get a very different picture altogether.

I know you speak from experience. You somehow managed to cure this thing by yourself. Most people can't do that however. I don't believe in talk therapy to be useful in treating schizophrenia, but there are people who believe in CBT or Open Dialogue treatment, and they say it's very successful. I din't try it, and I'm not going to do so unless the meds stop working for me, which would be a disaster. Anyways, psychiatrists can diagnose the illness and prescribe meds. It's not their job to substitute psychologists or other specialists.

Cheers,
Mirage

my perception on the schizophrenic thing is that the profession seeks to improve treatment of the disease by focusing on how to fix for the bulk of the population. yeah this is all cool and ok ya know...for the bulk of the schizophrenic population...but. if hopes are for another great advance in treatment...IT IS NOT HOW to proceed.

no..i am not sure how to proceed but i do believe psychiatry is too isolated...on its' own little island.

what i am saying is that should have been able to help ME. if they cannot help someone like me...what the fukk are they doing? for sure something wrong...and when i say wrong i mean BIG wrong. they need to humanize schizophrenia...to remove the stigma...wtf are they doing (lost on an island baby). YES they need to coordinate with other related professionals....THEY NEED TO LISTEN, OBSERVE, AND EXPERIENCE...!

if i would have listened to the profession...i would be taking rhasperdol. omg!

okok, that said, i understand this disease in complicated. but still...not a good excuse.

johnbc wrote:but. if hopes are for another great advance in treatment...IT IS NOT HOW to proceed.

I beg to differ. It is well known that schizophrenia is a complex illness, and that fixing one part of the brain is not going to be enough. The first generation of antipsychotics targeted only dopamine receptors. The second generation now targets dopamine, serotonin and alpha receptors. The future generation plans to target even glutamate receptors. All this leads to a great concern due to more and more side effects. But it also leads to more and more people being successfully treated (less positive/negative/cognitive symptoms).

johnbc wrote:no..i am not sure how to proceed but i do believe psychiatry is too isolated...on its' own little island.

Like any other field of expertise, it's isolated, but doctors try to get rid of the patients they cannot treat, and offer them another option, such as a talk therapy. It used to be much worse in the days of lobotomy.

johnbc wrote:what i am saying is that should have been able to help ME.

Your case is very special. You had your symptoms for about a year, which classifies as schizophrenia, but the illness faded away, which means it was just an acute episode.

johnbc wrote:if i would have listened to the profession...i would be taking rhasperdol. omg!

Yea, but it would most likely mean that you'd be just taking it for a year (free of symptoms), and then you could discontinue the treatment. Many people do that.

Doctors try to do their best, but like I said, this is just the beginning, and this is not the perfect world.

Mirage

yep...the consumers of psychforums are lucky to have you around. thinking you are a tremendous asset here.

but still...psychiatry is missing the social component. i am not presenting talk therapy as worthy of much value. sure would not have helped me in any regard.

consider this...how many people would allow themselves presented in a short video discussing their bout with schizophrenia? sure as heck would have helped me to view some real life stories on the disease.

psychiatry does what it does. if you are saying they should avoid the social component and stick to their guns on developing chemical solutions...then so be it. WE ARE MISSING A PROFESSION...there is a professional hole in the mental illness treatment and they need to fix it!!!!!!

where the heck is the medical community on this forum???????????????? hey...it is not our fault they render their profession silent...it is theirs!!!!!!

johnbc wrote:yep...the consumers of psychforums are lucky to have you around. thinking you are a tremendous asset here.

Hey, thanks! Means a lot.

johnbc wrote:but still...psychiatry is missing the social component.

If you suggest to assign a friend to each schizophrenic, it might work, but it's gonna be very expensive, and it may fail, because schizophrenics are paranoid about pretty much everything, and he wouldn't stay his friend for long.

johnbc wrote:consider this...how many people would allow themselves presented in a short video discussing their bout with schizophrenia? sure as heck would have helped me to view some real life stories on the disease.

People with this illness cannot concentrate all that well. They are stuck in their world, and I'm not sure if they would gain anything useful from the vids. But it might help, sure.

johnbc wrote:psychiatry does what it does. if you are saying they should avoid the social component and stick to their guns on developing chemical solutions...then so be it. WE ARE MISSING A PROFESSION...there is a professional hole in the mental illness treatment and they need to fix it!!!!!!

I'm sure someone thought of that, but it hasn't been realized for some reason. Maybe you could be the one to start it? No, really.

johnbc wrote:where the heck is the medical community on this forum???????????????? hey...it is not our fault they render their profession silent...it is theirs!!!!!!

It would seem that admins/mods don't like doctors here. They always say that no members here are professionals, which makes the real professionals stay away. Would you come if they didn't want you here?

Mirage

MirageXD wrote:It would seem that admins/mods don't like doctors here. They always say that no members here are professionals, which makes the real professionals stay away. Would you come if they didn't want you here?

Mirage

i will request an admin to comment on your assertion. thanks for the thought provoking comments.

You're being mind controlled on the obvious. 53,000 couldn't produce an explanation for no third photo and you completely avoid explaining yourself. Well.. explain it! Why will there never be a #3 for any of these photos. Here's LostRed's response, do you believe that he solved the mystery?

People come here for a laugh. Your existence is mind control in itself. I'm glad the other 8,000 people in the past two weeks kept their mouths shut. Now you think somehow that you're smarter than them? They didn't explain it cause they couldn't. Your explanations seem to make sense.

Keep making fools of yourselves cause it is entertainment for us. I just save all of these and just laugh. It's awesome. Take care

Mark

LostRed wrote:It's far more likely that Obama was sick for two days. Imagine how many people would.need to be shut up for Obama to be replaced. Even if it did get out, the government would try to shut up all those who knew. This is, assuming replacing Obama is even possible.
Second, if the government has mind control, why waste it on us rather than you, or better yet Kim Jong-Il or Gaddafi.?

Also, you know you're schizophrenic and that you're just venting this crap. Why do you keep insisting you're right?

The reason why there isn't a #3 is because he wasn't sick long. That is, if I understand what #3 is supposed to be. It's a tad difficult to understand you.

Thanks LostRed. I guess you're the first of 53,000 people to explain what we've all been wanting to know. He was equally sick on August 9th, 2010 as he was on October 20th, 2010. That's why the photos are so unique, matchable, and will never appear on a third day. Doesn't that make sense? No. It doesn't.

This guy is a Barack Obama standin. You're being mind controlled on something very simple and obvious. I can't believe you still even respond. I'd love to hear back from you since you solved the mystery.. he was equally as sick 71 days later. Right?

Mark

http://forum.davidicke.com/showthread.p ... 68&page=11

Just when I thought apelock had subsided, here's more animal like behavior exhibited on psychforums. LostRed's response is the inside quote, and mine is the outside quote. If you want a laugh, check out psychforums.com/schizophrenia and go to Government Mind Control and Schizophrenia or Schizophrenia, Psychic, and our Government 1. These two guys Mirage and Johnbc are possibly half human, half gorilla. Could someone translate their apelike transmissions for me?

No.

And, I'm the one who insults you, right?

Mark my words: One day you will come back and cry, seeing all the nonsense you believed, and all the help you refused, not to mention all the people you insulted.

Also, you think that 50000 people visited your threads. Are you serious? It's another delusion of yours, because it was just 50000 visits to your threads, because many people keep returning. With luck, maybe 1000 people visited your threads. From that, maybe 10 people believed you. Good job, now you just have to convince another 6 billion. Good luck. LOL

MirageXD wrote:http://forum.davidicke.com/showthread.php?t=154668&page=11

Just when I thought apelock had subsided, here's more animal like behavior exhibited on psychforums. LostRed's response is the inside quote, and mine is the outside quote. If you want a laugh, check out psychforums.com/schizophrenia and go to Government Mind Control and Schizophrenia or Schizophrenia, Psychic, and our Government 1. These two guys Mirage and Johnbc are possibly half human, half gorilla. Could someone translate their apelike transmissions for me?

No.

And, I'm the one who insults you, right?

Mark my words: One day you will come back and cry, seeing all the nonsense you believed, and all the help you refused, not to mention all the people you insulted.

Also, you think that 50000 people visited your threads. Are you serious? It's another delusion of yours, because it was just 50000 visits to your threads, because many people keep returning. With luck, maybe 1000 people visited your threads. From that, maybe 10 people believed you. Good job, now you just have to convince another 6 billion. Good luck. LOL

So that's about thirty responses now and you still avoid explaining why there is no #3 for these distinct photos. You're being government mind controlled, period. Yep, 54,000 hits. Eight forums. You say you're smarter than everyone else on here. Most hold their tongue while some love to make fools of themselves. You've posted about thirty responses that avoided attempting to explain why there is no #3 for these distinct photos.

I look forward to your next response which will also avoid an explanation. At one point I thought you learned; chimplock is a trap. You're always wanting to post something yet you never explain yourself. I'd love to hear back from you, Mirage.

Take care

Mark