Have you recovered from Chronic Schizophrenia?

Hi again sweetngentle,

I hope you can look at the attached link, it is not an anti-psych link. It just details World Health Organisation studies on how culture plays a role in the outcome of SZ. Why cant we learn from this and adjust our culture so SZ is a norm here? Is say its all to do with money? I would rather have a hand full of shells than dollars.

http://www.pbs.org/wnet/brain/episode3/cultures/

Lat

Latitudinarian wrote:Hi sadgurl,

If I had access to the information I am posting here years ago, my friends and especially my girl friend would undoubtably would still be alive.

I would be able to show them that the negative diagnosis that shrinks applied to them was false.

You maybe one of those that can choose if you take meds. Have you ever been on a community treatment order??? No choice, No rights, No freedom!!!!

My beautiful sweet lovely girl friends shrink gave a letter to a lawyer stating she would never recover. She lost custody of her child because of this. My girlfriend put her head in the oven and gased her self!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

My best friend was also told he would never recover, he was so distressed about my girlfriend that he rode his motor cycle into a parked milk truck.

I was told I would never recover. I did! Why are my friends dead???

Because of shrinks!!!!

We do not agree!!!

The info I post is to save lives.

Lat

I am sorry to here about your girlfriend, now I can understand why you are posting this stuff.

That doesn't happen to everyone though, it's unfortunate that your GF did not get the proper treatment, but there are alot of people who do get the proper treatment and benefit from psychiatry, alot of people do.

We know on this board how you are against it, and the medications we do get your point, but alot of members are getting upset by these posts, that's why I am asking you to relax with it a bit because it is upetting people.


I have always had a choice with meds, always had freedom with treatments and always had rights, like I said you had a bad experience, but not everyone has that type of expierence that you did and that your GF did. It's sad that stuff happened.

You can choose not to take medication, and in doing that you could make yourself worse, and potentially get sicker because of it.

I've personally tried the no drug thing and it didn't work for me, meds have.

If people say that they can't recover could be right, depending what their diagnosis is, but people can live the lives they want and be happy. I've accepted that I may never be able to get rid of my depression or PTSD, but that's ok now because I know how to cope with them, as well as anxiety. People can learn to cope with it.

But perhaps finding the right doctor can be hard at times...

Some info on here could save lives, but it also could bother people... it's 2 sided.

I'm in Canada, so the way treatment is here is different from australia. I'm telling YOU what works here, what has helped millions of people.

I'm not reffering to SZ, I know someone who suffers from that, I'm talking about psychiatry in general. I know SZ is hard to treat, and people with SZ do have a hard time, but there are also sucess stories with them.

Anyways I wasn't even talking about SZ really, I was talking about meds and psychiatry in general.

Lat,

Good article...wish it was in larger print...i have vision problems. I just can't see how society/our culture is going to accept people with sz as normal......though I would love it to be so. I would love for my son to be accepted into certain circles that he is currently excluded from. But people see him carrying on a full conversation when there is no one there to be talking with him. To outsiders he is talking to the wind...to me and him....he's talking to a maffia person .....this is who he tells me he is talking to. He knows they aren't real and tries to not interact with them.///because, as he tells me, he is fearful to interact with them....afraid he will get suck ed in.

For me...I have DID, anorexia and major depression with psychosis and suicidal ideation. The world of psychiatry had helped me more than harmed me. About 30 years ago I reached out to society, friends and family to help me with what I was going through. I was 21 at the time...lol...dating myself ...anyways no one came through for me. Finally I admitted myself to a inpatient psych hospital. It was a very positive experience for me and most likely saved my life.

Now years later I am mostly integrated, still have ana problems and have psychotic symptoms when depressed or extremely anxious. I hear things that are not there. I sense, but don't see, people who are not near me. These things scare the hell out of me which is why I take meds. I would rather take meds and not have these psychotic symptoms and that dark pit of depression.

Now.....I would like to ask you to answer this with your own thoughts and not another article to read...lol

Sweetngentle

Hi sweetngentle,

I am glad you have read the articles, thank you.

I hope I have the gist of your question. If SZ and MI don’t exist why do people have symptoms?

This is my last crack at it; Your suffering is real and legitimate, the imagery or subconscious bombard or conscious is a result of living in a frightening competitive technological complicated world.

Our subconscious/psyche is a very powerful thing, its sits next to your soul. It is our core, our soul, and our life force, our being. It is totally aware, look inside yourself and find it. I am confident that you are a very sensitive caring lovely soul. That is your true make up as a person. Your conscious is not the real you, but are also not allowed to be what our subconscious wants to be, {that sensitive caring lovely soul that wants to live on its terms.} That right is taken from us at birth, we are soon forced to learn the ways and means to survive in this sick culture.

Our subconscious is totally aware of the sick culture it lives in and projects extraordinary, bizarre information to our consciousness as it is frightened and disturbed at the world we must live in. We all know what its like to dream, our sensitive subconscious is trying to tell us, using similar mechanism to dreaming, that it doesn't like what it see or feels and projects the information to the mind that we identify as mental illness.

If we changed our culture and lived in worlds that were more in tune with our psyche/core/soul the subconscious would not bombard our minds/consciousness with information that is basically telling us to leave this place as it is sick.

All my life I have been so disappointed with the way the culture I was born in is. I cannot flourish in this culture.

However we can not pack up and leave and go to a more pleasant culture. We are stuck here.

Just because we are stuck in a culture that cause so called SZ and other mental illness symptoms does not give that those symptoms
can ever be legitimately called a real medical illness. All we need to do is change our culture as the evidence I have posted on this forum backs up, and then our illnesses are mitigated.

I am fully aware this will not happen, but just because it won’t happen doesn't mean I have a bio chemical imbalance in my brain.

I see allot of people that have been diagnosed with various mental illnesses, I just look at the cultural causes, then I look at their souls, these people are not sick, they are sensitive sweet caring people lost and confused in a sick culture.

No one on this forum is truly ill, but they suffer, and some need medication to reduce their suffering, but they suffer no bio chemical disease.

Lat

Lat,
Thanks for your reply to my post There are parts I agree with and parts that don't make any sense to me.

I know that the abusive and cruel environment I was born into was the reason why I created other forms of me...alters....I had need to not be me from infancy...just so I could cope with the abuse I received. It was further perpetuated when I married a man who ultimately turned out to be violently abusive.

After 20 yrs of marriage my husband agreed to sell our home, split the equity and we lived separately. That was a little over 3 yrs ago. Once I was taken froom the victim environment I began, with the help of a sensitive caring therapist, to recover from DID and the other things that hampered me.

I also don't think I would have become anorectic had I not lived in the environment I did. I had to be the "perfect" daughter. ....get excellent grades....be slim and trim....be popular...etc. I finally rebelled by going on a diet as I was never thin enough for my parents approval. My weight slipped from somewhat overweight....to slim......to apallingly thin and a matter on mos. Hence the beginning of anorexia.

I can see how my family environment shaped me into the person that I am. But I do believe I have or at least had the mental illneses that I have dealt with. I am almost recovered from some of these mental illneses and I now can say that I have a "past" history of DID and anorexia.

But we live in a crazy world. Good is not good enough. Neither is fast fast enough. So my only way of coping is to take meds to help diminish the symptoms I have.

Thanks again for your reply,
Sweetngenlte

Thanks,

This is bit like banging me head against a wall, I think i'll stop.

One posititive, I helped LunarC.

Bye

Lat

For me it feels more like frustration. I'll be putting an end to that though.

Bye,
Sweetngentle

Hi Lat, I must say that i found your link interesting. It certainly is making me think. Ive not had a psychotic episode for almost three years now. it was good to read something alternative and shall give it some serious consideration. Take care and all the best for 2005 regards tooley parrot

To SweetandGentle, Lat and that guy across the pond.

I studied Buddhism for about two years while in college and I practiced mindfulness meditation and did this most every day for a year.

The following year I was diagnosed with Schizophrenia.

I decided that instead of going down the path I had been, which is a very selfish path, that I would begin to embrace Christianity for it was the religion of my culture, the religion I grew up with, and the religion that I'll stick to in dire times.

What did Buddhism do for me?

Well, it intelectually explained a lot of things.

It allowed me to be in a fantasy world.

No, it was PURE escapism.

My opinions?

Hardly....this tends to be the consesus with this religion (or philosophy of life, if you will).

Thommie

I'm a christian......one of those non-perfect ones

Sweetngentle