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Re: Would you rather be Schizoid or Borderline

Postby ponygirl » Fri May 06, 2011 3:34 am

imaduck wrote:what is a "cure"? i simply asked if permanence is a reality--which it is not. it is not just "i have a PD" or "i don't have a PD"--life is a process, there is no end goal, just small ones along the way. change is always happening, but in the end it's not about relying on research or shrinks; you simply have to be aware of yourself and your "ways" and have a strong resolve to change for yourself. if you truly believe that you can't get better, why would you try at all?

BUT in the end, it is more about DEALING in a way that doesn't hurt you (and if you're hurting other people, you're probably hurting yourself) and making the best out of your condition. focusing on the "i can't change" part is useless compared to focusing on the "i'm going to be great" part. maybe it's just my black and white thinking, but i can't do both at once, haha. well, not yet--trying to find balance!


This is a very intersting arguement, and there are a great many scenarios that I would agree with you. But what about individuals living with Autism, Traumatic Brain Injuries, Alzheimer's? There are cases when mind over matter are not so cut and dried. i just wonder if they took all of us Schizoids and looked at our brains through scans if they would not find some significant physiological differences around the frontal lobe and/or amygdala. When Freud and Jung and all the others were spouting theories, they were doing it without the benefit of having actually seen a human brain in motion. There were no neat imaging technologies at the turn of the twentieth century beyond a rather crude x-ray device. We could expand this to all people diagnosed with personality disorders.
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Re: Would you rather be Schizoid or Borderline

Postby imaduck » Fri May 06, 2011 4:22 am

ponygirl wrote:
imaduck wrote:what is a "cure"? i simply asked if permanence is a reality--which it is not. it is not just "i have a PD" or "i don't have a PD"--life is a process, there is no end goal, just small ones along the way. change is always happening, but in the end it's not about relying on research or shrinks; you simply have to be aware of yourself and your "ways" and have a strong resolve to change for yourself. if you truly believe that you can't get better, why would you try at all?

BUT in the end, it is more about DEALING in a way that doesn't hurt you (and if you're hurting other people, you're probably hurting yourself) and making the best out of your condition. focusing on the "i can't change" part is useless compared to focusing on the "i'm going to be great" part. maybe it's just my black and white thinking, but i can't do both at once, haha. well, not yet--trying to find balance!


This is a very intersting arguement, and there are a great many scenarios that I would agree with you. But what about individuals living with Autism, Traumatic Brain Injuries, Alzheimer's? There are cases when mind over matter are not so cut and dried. i just wonder if they took all of us Schizoids and looked at our brains through scans if they would not find some significant physiological differences around the frontal lobe and/or amygdala. When Freud and Jung and all the others were spouting theories, they were doing it without the benefit of having actually seen a human brain in motion. There were no neat imaging technologies at the turn of the twentieth century beyond a rather crude x-ray device. We could expand this to all people diagnosed with personality disorders.


i think the argument still stands--it's not necessarily about DENYING that you have 100%, utter control over the functions of your brain, but simply the way you choose to see it. traumatic brain injuries aren't all similarly traumatic--the level of damage varies from individual to individual--so who knows if there are some facets of the condition that can't be overcome by learning to deal with them? in a way, dealing with something defeats the problem itself. think about people who choose to deal with their negative emotions and fear of the outside world by indulging in themselves and their addictions... dealing with the problem deletes the problem (although in this case the method of dealing is self-destructive, so it creates more problems to deal with, which creates more and so on), but you have to be rational and decide which problems can be overcome without simply dealing. but that brings us back to not really knowing WHAT exactly can be overcome in this way vs. "overcome" by dealing, but i think it's a perpetual process in all of our lives. in the end, we will never have figured ourselves out because as we continue to learn we continue to change, and in turn create new, hidden aspects of ourselves to learn about. so, while the pros struggle to come up with the technical solutions, we need to think about what WE can do for OURSELVES in the meantime. and it really is about prioritizing, knocking out the little things so the big things aren't as threatening later. and i think it takes a lot of realistic insight and constant re-evaluation to decide what you want to focus on, what can't be changed now but most importantly what can be.

and i was diagnosed with asperger syndrome as a child... but interestingly, i recently found out that my biological father had ADD, which frankly aligns with (many, but not all of) my symptoms A LOT better than the initial asperger diagnosis (btw, there is like massive correlation between "aspergers" and "ADD" that the pros have yet to explain), not to mention several other diagnoses that were eventually ruled out because i have no freaking clue. my symptoms are so disorganized and contradictory that i practically have no choice but to be skeptical of labels and focus on the symptoms themselves! and i'm also therapy-deprived as i have no insurance, so in the meantime i'm trying to coach myself as best as i can--which has its dangers as well, no doubt. what sucks is that in the past there always comes a point where the therapist is unable to understand me and ends up explaining things i already know, or i can't understand the way they rationalize some of their solutions, so i give up on them... bad habit... (the only PD diagnosis that seems to fit without contradicting other symptoms is masochistic PD, but that one was removed from the DSM :p)

@doobie: haha, i'm glad :p hopefully you're not a total black-and-white thinker like me and tend to only focus on the good or the bad and completely forget about the other one!
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Re: Would you rather be Schizoid or Borderline

Postby olavi » Sat May 07, 2011 10:15 am

I think I might be both :)
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Re: Would you rather be Schizoid or Borderline

Postby DoobieDoom » Sun May 08, 2011 7:51 am

I think I might be both


not possible lol

They are complete opposites one has hypersensitive emotions, one lacks emotion. Maybe a borderline in a schizoid state like mention earlier?

Even if a borderline is in a schizoid state there is still a huge difference in the eyes of a Borderline and that of a Schizoid. When I look at other borderlines I usually see beautiful eyes that see through you'r soul, schizoids have pretty void eyes
I suppose any of my theories cannot be counted as creditable however. I am a 17 year old, a senior in highschool. BUT Psychology is my passion! So I am looking for the general opinion and professional advice to aid it, and I hope for comments to disregard my age and creditably.
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Re: Would you rather be Schizoid or Borderline

Postby glycinenoodle » Tue Jan 08, 2013 2:47 am

I was misdiagnosed as BPD 5 years ago. I loathed that dx, it never settled with me. As time progressesd, my motivation and emotions became very flat. I didn't have rapid mood swings. Didn't have the black and white thinking, never loved than hated in an instance (I do not love or hate, at all).

I did slept with many men, because I felt something was wrong with me- I didn't enjoy sex, so I kept on trying. But then I just gave up. I'm quiet asexual. I used to cut because I didn't feel real, but that was in the past. Also, my aliention from society, not being to fit in, made me suicidal. I'm not suicidal anymore.

In the last year, I just let myself be. No more sex, I do not date, mostly am isolated. And I feel better than ever. I don't have bpd. spd? Maybe. But not bpd.

I rather be a schizoid, that's for sure.
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Re: Would you rather be Schizoid or Borderline

Postby Velociraptor » Tue Jan 08, 2013 2:57 am

Schizoid for sure.

I'd rather have no emotions than too many sh*tty ones.
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Re: Would you rather be Schizoid or Borderline

Postby Distant_Horizon » Tue Jan 08, 2013 10:29 am

Schizoid, that's for sure. I got a taste of the Borderline way of feeling in my teens when I was desperately in love and had major depression at the same time. It was hell. Feeling like the happiest person on earth because they smiled at you, then despair because they don't love you back, obsession, veering between love and resentment, hating myself, having suicidial thoughts for a year - no, thank you.

Once I came to terms with my SPD, I'm actually feeling quite content. There's a strange peace in the predictability. I like the fact that my emotional state doesn't depend on other people. I'm the one in control of my emotions and reactions. I can't experience everything fully, but I still have enough emotions left to get a taste of what it feels like. Sometimes a stronger feeling kicks in and I laugh, or dance, or cry, but it fades quickly. Sometimes I feel nothing at all. I've been on both sides of the extreme and I'd rather feel nothing at all than be chained to a rollercoaster in the dark.
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Re: Would you rather be Schizoid or Borderline

Postby reflection » Tue Jan 08, 2013 12:06 pm

In a good moment though....

http://m.youtube.com/#/watch?v=rmCpOKtN ... mCpOKtN8ME

The world is brighter and you just want to hold onto that sunshine.
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Re: Would you rather be Schizoid or Borderline

Postby under ice » Tue Jan 08, 2013 8:45 pm

How do people even find threads from 2011?
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Re: Would you rather be Schizoid or Borderline

Postby cthulhucakes » Wed Jan 09, 2013 1:10 am

under ice wrote:How do people even find threads from 2011?

if they googled "schizoid and borderline" it probably came up. Other than that, I don't know. But obviously schizoid. Who would want BPD?
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