Serial killers diagnosed with SPD?

by **Peptron** » Thu Jan 31, 2008 11:07 pm

Janie wrote:The man who shot up Virginia Tech, Cho, was always a loner, never had any friends in high school, was made fun of, was the 'weird' guy but I don't think he had any psychotic breaks prior to the big one at Tech. Listening to his rantings, he sounded schizophrenic, with paranoid delusions. Was he a schizoid who became schizophrenic? Or always schizophrenic? I don't know.

Yeah, being a loner DOES NOT equal being schizoid. There are at least two other PDs that involves being a total loner: schizotypal and avoidant. Aspergers also often end up being loners. And of course schizophrenia dooms you to being a social outcast.

But to me if a loner "blows up" and go hurt people, it can almost be used as proof that he isn't schizoid, and probably not an aspie. I can see an avoidant building enough rage inside to seek vengeance, and a schizotypal just conjuring into reality whatever cartoon he takes as true.

I personally didn't really have any friends in high school (I had 2 close friends spread over the years) and I was made fun of a lot. I was very small and frail and a few people thought I was retarded. Despite all that, I never held a grudge against my bullies, thanks to SPD, and when I had to deal with them I was acting as if nothing ever happened, which just reinforced the idea that I was retarded (if he doesn't build up any shame or anger, it's because "he doesn't quite understand what is going on").

Lake had written how he was convinced there was going to be a global nuclear war, and that he planned on surviving in his bunker and rebuilding the human race with a collection of female slaves; Lake named this plan "Operation Miranda", after a character in the book The Collector by John Fowles. The police also found videocassettes showing Lake and Ng torturing and raping women.

The grounds of the ranch were dug up, and twelve bodies were uncovered in shallow graves. Among these victims were two families: Harvey Dubs and his wife, Deborah, and baby son, Sean; and Lonnie Bond and Brenda O'Connor and their baby son, Lonnie Bond Jr. The women had been sexually abused, and killed after their husbands and infants were disposed of. Five of the bodies were of men lured to the ranch to be robbed and killed — including Stapley and Cosner — and the twelfth was identified as 18-year-old Kathleen Allen, who knew Ng because her boyfriend had once been his cellmate in prison. Police also found charred fragments of human bones, but they were unable to determine the identity of the victims or their number. It has been postulated the number of unknown murdered persons could be as high as 25.[3]

Lake's younger brother, Donald, had vanished in 1983 and was presumed dead, as had Charles Gunnar, a friend of Lake's from his military days; the latters' remains were discovered at the ranch in September 1992.

The crimes went on for many years. While SPD individuals have psychotic breaks they are less intense and brief generally. SPD individuals can also rationalize that their breaks are not reality. They also tend to prefer isolation. All seem contradictory to the lake and ng crimes.

They seem more ASPD,sociopath or perhaps even paranoid schizophrenic.BPD could play a factor as well.

A SPD individual would likely find such actions to be too tedious or the level of social contact undesirable among other issues when one reads the detailed accounts of the crimes.

by **1PolarBear** » Tue Jun 26, 2012 1:19 pm

I think the Chessboard Killer fitted pretty well.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alexander_Pichushkin

He lost it when his dog died, and started killing random people in the park.

by **UberGonzo** » Tue Jun 26, 2012 1:30 pm

OneRinger wrote:I think the Chessboard Killer fitted pretty well.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alexander_Pichushkin

He lost it when his dog died, and started killing random people in the park.

Experts at the Serbsky Institute, Russia's main psychiatric clinic, have found Pichushkin sane.

Sounds more like ASPD or BPD IMO.

I doubt SPD in this case due to the amount of socializing required.

People with schizoid personality disorder are rarely violent, as they prefer not to interact with people.

by **cthulhucakes** » Tue Jun 26, 2012 7:25 pm

I don't think schizoids are the kind of people who are going out and shooting people, but if push came to shove and someone tried breaking into my house or something, I would have no problem defending myself. I feel like this would be the mindset of most people here.

by **Ada** » Tue Jun 26, 2012 7:38 pm

doritocakes wrote:I don't think schizoids are the kind of people who are going out and shooting people, but if push came to shove and someone tried breaking into my house or something, I would have no problem defending myself. I feel like this would be the mindset of most people here.

I think that would be the mindset of most people in general. I would expect a minority to say "no violence under any circumstances" and a slightly larger number of people who would say, if being honest, they'd be too scared to do anything.

by **cthulhucakes** » Tue Jun 26, 2012 7:41 pm

Ada wrote:
doritocakes wrote:I don't think schizoids are the kind of people who are going out and shooting people, but if push came to shove and someone tried breaking into my house or something, I would have no problem defending myself. I feel like this would be the mindset of most people here.

I think that would be the mindset of most people in general. I would expect a minority to say "no violence under any circumstances" and a slightly larger number of people who would say, if being honest, they'd be too scared to do anything.

Well, considering most crimes aren't random and most people know their attacker, Idk how many people could shoot their significant other/ relative, even if threatened.

by **UberGonzo** » Tue Jun 26, 2012 7:46 pm

Ada wrote:
doritocakes wrote:I don't think schizoids are the kind of people who are going out and shooting people, but if push came to shove and someone tried breaking into my house or something, I would have no problem defending myself. I feel like this would be the mindset of most people here.

I think that would be the mindset of most people in general. I would expect a minority to say "no violence under any circumstances" and a slightly larger number of people who would say, if being honest, they'd be too scared to do anything.

I agree with your sentiment Ada. Additionally, studies I've seen suggested SPD and StPD individuals were a minority and very rare in violent crimes cases suggesting that such people are probably no more violent in action than the average person if not they may be SLIGHTLY more prone but not statistically significantly so.

Personally, despite my attitude/beliefs/fanatasies I have not sought out violence in any manner and try to avoid it but I am territorial and get very aggressive toward invaders. Once I had 4 people try kicking in my door in the night and I chased after them with a survival machete and chased them off my property and half way down the street. I can honestly say I know I'd be violent when confronted with violence. :lol:

by **Fallen_Angel73** » Tue Jun 26, 2012 7:47 pm

doritocakes wrote:Well, considering most crimes aren't random and most people know their attacker, Idk how many people could shoot their significant other/ relative, even if threatened.

If you're a leopard lover and a leopard jumps on you, you shoot it.

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