Drugs are making you dropouts

That said, alcohol is even worse for people losing control of their actions but at least the crimes they commit are not so evil as those committed by druggies.

I think that's totally wrong. Think of all the violence and physical abuse caused by alcohol intoxication. I bet more people have been killed by someone in a fit of alcoholic rage than desperate druggies trying to get a fix.

Druggies are everywhere, in all professions - lawyers in particular have a fondness for heroin. It's just that they have the funds to finance their habit and don't generally have to resort to the desperate measures that poor people do.

I have a new theory that even though we, as schizoids, don't enjoy human interaction, perhaps we need it since humans are social animals. Because we stay away, we end up depressed/suicidal/lacking motivation.

I like your theory insomniakat, I think there may be some truth in there.

Alex Foster wrote:What about the schizoids who don't do drugs but see no real point in bothering with life?

I think thats what we have been asking for like... a week now? without getting an answer from him ofc.

solitare - You're right on the alcohol. And even if the crimes really were more dangerous, the fact that anyone over 21 can get alcohol legally would balance it out. The accessibility would make it just as dangerous.

I, for one, consider drug enforcement in the States to be hypocritical #######4. The government should push to ban ALL drugs, including alcohol and nicotine, if they're really serious about "combating the street poison" and "keeping society stable". The only reason they meander about it is the tax money involved; it just shows that they don't care about our health, anyway. Not beyond their interests and the economy, anyway.

To the people complaining about the debating: you're right. I do genuinely find it interesting, even though it is pointless. But I don't think that makes me any less schizoid when that applies to all my interests anyway. In the first place, that's not really the point.

Calvados wrote:I would say that 90% of those I defend use some sort of drugs, and that those drugs are the cause of the crimes they have committed because their brains have been affected by them and led them to do nothing with their lives except resort to criminal activity. Most of them accept that. Their probation officers say this as do the psychiatrists who have assessed them in bad cases.

So I am speaking from experience.

Experience, exclusively with people who screwed up, got caught,
and needed your legal services? Do you honestly believe that your
sample is in any way representative of society at large, or even
drug users at large?

And just what do you mean by "resort" to criminal activity?
Crime is one of the most efficient routes to success, which differs
from legal activities only in terms of legality.

Artificial Lifeform wrote:

Alex Foster wrote:What about the schizoids who don't do drugs but see no real point in bothering with life?

I think thats what we have been asking for like... a week now? without getting an answer from him ofc.

Ah. Sorry, I only just checked this thread this evening.

astreal wrote:ok, this thread is now officially awesome.

the best part of it all is how many people have told Calvados he has no clue what it's like to be schizoid. color me entertained.

Septimus wrote:However, like Astreal I am finding this thread amusing!

What grabs me is the level of emotion and lack of indifference to Calvados's comments it has generated in apparently schizoid people.

insomniakat wrote:This thread is a bit odd.

SpiritParticle wrote:This is absurd, and going no where. I secede.

I get the impression that some people don't like this thread, for
reasons that seem unclear. Perhaps someone could voluneer
to explain the phenomenon?

sum1 wrote:I get the impression that some people don't like this thread, for
reasons that seem unclear. Perhaps someone could voluneer
to explain the phenomenon?

for my part, as i said before, i have no strong opinions on drug use one way or the other.

i was merely commenting on some of the reactions to Calvados's post that questioned his schizoid "cred". such judgments were apropos of nothing he posted.

those who told him he didn't know what it's like to be schizoid really meant he didn't know what it's like to be them. i think if you have so much stake in "being schizoid" that you feel your stake to be threatened by what Calvados said, then you have issues that have nothing to do with being schizoid.

SpiritParticle wrote:No emotion, no defensiveness. It was a good excuse to regurgitate a lot of things I have learned.....helps cement information in my brain more.

yours wasn't one of the reactions i was referring to. i thought your reply was very thoughtful and well-measured.

Artificial Lifeform wrote:

Alex Foster wrote:What about the schizoids who don't do drugs but see no real point in bothering with life?

I think thats what we have been asking for like... a week now? without getting an answer from him ofc.

I obviously wasn't being clear enough.

My post was aimed at those schizoids who use drugs.

I don't doubt that there are schizoids who don't use drugs and yet don't do much with their lives. I wasn't talking about them. However, it seems that most of the adult ones seem to have jobs so they aren't complete wastrels.

Sum1: At least I was talking from experience of others and not just talking about what I had read or heard.

Plus it's ridiculous to say that "crime is one of the most efficient routes to success". How does assault, drink driving, murder etc make you more successful? Selling drugs or burglary may make you more successful if you are not caught, but only at the expense of others.

Solitaire and Giganotr21. The last two murders we had here (they don't happen often where I live) were both committed by people who had ingested a coctail of drugs. So are a lot of the GBHs. Alcohol causes more crime, but that tends to be more yobbish behaviour.

End of matter. I've made by point.