COVID-19: a Global study of Mass and Individual Panic

Cholls wrote:Did you pay attention to all of the video?

If, as Dr. Bhakdi observes, all deaths, regardless of primary cause, are being documented as due to COVID-19, even when the virus is merely present on, for example, the corpse's clothing, the "COVID-19 death toll" is certain to mount.

I read his letter.

If a dead person dies, they don't test him in Germany, so it doesn't go into the count. It's actually one of the reason they give for the relatively low number. I am sure he knows that.

The issue of primary cause is a contentious issue, and also the one of not testing after death. That's why all countries have different protocols.

France had the same, until yesterday, where they added more deaths suddenly. They weren't counting people not hospitalized.

China has those same protocols, and they are accused of covering up by US Republicans.

His issue is a real issue, but it is the other way around. Lots of deaths caused by the virus are simply not reported by some countries. Overall it does not make a big difference, not in the grand scheme of things.

Yes, emergency rooms are not full of people, because people are more afraid of the virus, so they don't go to the emergency, it was reported in some places. The amounts are still low in the US, but people that do get complications get into beds for weeks, you won't see them in the emergency room. Not yet anyway, maybe in a couple weeks.

https://www.businessinsider.com/video-t ... tic-2020-3

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aCRPp1Qy5yY

It's not ebola either, lot less lethal. In five weeks it should be the biggest pandemic since the Spanish flu, a hundred years ago. Ebola was not contagious enough, so it was only a small epidemic. It was gruesome and dangerous, but did not do too many deaths.

I don't think the guy in that video denied there were deaths, so I am not sure why you bring it up, not part of his argument.

the official recommendations that people stay home from work and avoid congregating in public or private spaces are in fact evidence of the progress of the schizoids' long march through the institutions

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Cholls wrote:"The World Health Organization (WHO) warned Monday that the virus could survive on banknotes, potentially spreading the virus within communities and across the world."

i thought it was ave-old common sense that you should always assume banknotes are dirty and carrying all sorts of germs

anathegram wrote:the official recommendations that people stay home from work and avoid congregating in public or private spaces are in fact evidence of the progress of the schizoids' long march through the institutions

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what have you done

Yeah. I always thought handling lotsa money was a form of mithridatism.



Not even close to ebola, rather "similar to the situation with influenza".

Anthony S. Fauci, M.D., lead author of the following:

https://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJMe2002387

the overall clinical consequences of Covid-19 may ultimately be more akin to those of a severe seasonal influenza (which has a case fatality rate of approximately 0.1%) or a pandemic influenza (similar to those in 1957 and 1968) rather than a disease similar to SARS or MERS, which have had case fatality rates of 9 to 10% and 36%, respectively

I know someone (my mother) who had the 1968 flu. Other people know someone who died of the Spanish flu. Although Covid-19 is making like The Next Black Death, I don't know anyone who has been diagnosed with it. So, to me, this could well be another instance of The Man doing this (but pulling, rather than inserting):




The economic repercussions from the infringements on our freedom are likely to significantly outweigh the effects of the virus itself.

To me, this is an exercise in control and surveillance by The Man. Authority figures seeing what they can get away with. How high we'll jump, whether or not we'll push back. As far as I can tell, we're queuing like sheep to the slaughterhouse.

The only thing that would convince me that the central banks are not behind this deliberate destruction of small businesses and the crippling of the global economy would be for the world's major banks to waive interest on all loans for at least a year beginning 1 March 2020. That I'd like to see.

Your paranoia is endearing, and you make some good points. But surely you must have some more concrete ideas about who is behind it all. Who are these authority figures? And from what sector of society do they cull the thousands of actors who are now performing in hospitals across the country?

And why, being capable of staging such magnificent distractions as global warming and 9-11, would they scale it down to the level of a microscopic villain? Certainly the technology exists to be able to stage a convincing alien invasion. Or have they finally realized that fear and paranoia (the most effective tool) is best dispersed as a slow burn?

You must keep in mind that aluminum is reflective, and when fashioned into a hat, creates a plethora of multi-angled surfaces which renders its wearer vulnerable to a multitude of distortions, much like an ideological house of mirrors.

Hone your dissent. Simplify, and you will know your enemy: middle aged millionaires with shiny white foreheads and palms as smooth and cottony as an acne-scarred hand model.

Cholls wrote:Although Covid-19 is making like The Next Black Death

Your words. Nobody else's as far as I'm aware.

What makes this outbreak so confusing to so many people such as yourself is that the disease, as far as disease in general goes, is not particularly nasty. It just isn't. As far as diseases that nobody has immunity to, however, it just about makes the cut as nasty enough to be concerning. And that's all it takes for it to be deeply concerning. When the snowy slope is as big as the entire world population, just the fact that there is a snowball is enough.

And the fact that the disease in itself is not all that scary is what makes it an order of magnitude more concerning than it would be otherwise (compounded to another order of magnitude by the fact that it seems to spread silently). Because the relative safety that each individual feels is exactly what dramatically increases the chances of a seriously bad outcome for everybody. It's a "tragedy of the commons" type of situation.

Catching the disease yourself is, in all likelihood, not a big deal. But everybody catching it all at once is nothing short of a major catastrophe. Because, out of all the infected people, a few semi-random ones end up needing medical attention, and they need it badly. And "a few out of all" multiplied by eight billion is a frickin lot. Way beyond what any society could hope to be prepared to deal with properly. Way beyond the point where the ones at risk of dying from the disease itself aren't the only ones anymore at risk of suffering badly from all the systemic ramifications.

I don't know anyone who has been diagnosed with it.

Eventually you will, just like eventually happened with past pandemics. That much is inevitable and completely beyond control. The question that remains open is whether or not most people will eventually know someone who died or developed some kind of lifelong health complication from this one. Within the realm of plausibility, the ideal horizon at this point would be if a scalable effective treatmeant were discovered/developed in the next few months (which isn't something that can be counted on, but is definitely not impossible either). But barring that, all we can do is delay things.

If we don't delay things, then people will still end up hiding inside anyway, for fear for their own / their family's life and wellbeing. But the dark irony is that that sort of spontaneous fear would only kick in after it's not very helpful anymore. Once most people have that personal reason to fear the disease (meaning: they know someone who's suffered from it), then the outbreak is already running its course, or has run it entirely already. Then the economy will be waiting for them to rejoin, and they'll be hiding in fear.

The idea that the economy is specifically suffering from the measures being taken, and by nothing else, stems from the idea that only deliberate acts have consequences. But viruses and volcanoes and so on just don't care about that. The economy is suffering from the pandemic regardless.

You don't need to trust me or believe me on this. You only need to accept that that's the nature of a pandemc, and that pandemics happen. Then you automatically know that, if you're going to question the fact of a current pandemic, then the only reasonable course of action is to do it starting from a place where you assume it's real and act accordingly.

emillionth wrote:[

If we don't delay things, then people will still end up hiding inside anyway, for fear for their own / their family's life and wellbeing. .

Maybe not. In Italy when the hospitals were full people were still out and about. COVID look like it only kills 0.6% of people who get it. And if you have no risk factors like age it may be much lower. Sweden is letting people stay out and only isolating people at high risk.

‘Stay-at-Home’ Order Stuns Italians as Some Question Enforcement
https://www.voanews.com/science-health/ ... nforcement

Cholls wrote:So, to me, this could well be another instance of The Man doing this (but pulling, rather than inserting)

anathegram ineptly strums a guitar

don't matter how many flowers I shove up my ass
boss always pulls em out
I got the lockdown blues

wheezing harmonica solo

AArgon wrote:Maybe not. In Italy when the hospitals were full people were still out and about.

Most of them didn't know anyone who had caught it. Most still don't, by far. Even though the virus seems to have the potential to easily infect most people on earth in a matter of months if left unchecked, the percentage of people infected anywhere in the world so far is still tiny. And that's already a calamity in some places anyway.

COVID look like it only kills 0.6% of people who get it.

The fatality rate seems to be one of the most consistently misunderstood things about this outbreak. For one thing, we only have rough estimates (wildly variable even between places in very similar situations), because we don't have the data that we need to know the actual numbers. I guess that much is part of the public consciousness. But the point most people seem to miss (which is really the whole point of all the drastic measures being taken) is that even if we knew the real numbers, that ratio wouldn't predict what will happen, it would only inform our best guesses and what we could do to improve the odds (like, say, by social distancing, in the absence of a better option). Because the fatality rate is not an attribute of the disease, it's an attribute of the epidemic.

You can be sure that the fatality rate will be ridiculously higher in, say, North Korea than almost anywhere else. Because the place (the culture, the shape of social networks, the geography, the structure of government and public agencies, etc -- and most importantly, the resources available and the level of effective coordination in place to use those resources) and the circumstances of the spread matter more than the disease on its own. Snowflakes aren't the problem, the snowball is.

Sweden is letting people stay out and only isolating people at high risk.

Maybe they're making a mistake. Or maybe they have the right resources and circumstances to pull it off (hospital beds/equipment, well-established/far-reaching social services, inter-agency coordination and so on, stuff like that). Either way, there's an abundance of concrete evidence (like, piles of coffins, or even dead bodies waiting for coffins -- there are places where people are having to leave their dead by the front door like trash) that what Sweden is doing doesn't work for most other places, even if it may work for them. The same way that what China did, the way they did it, on such a massive scale, just can't be done elsewhere. Because the Chinese government, um, "has the structure to promptly control the flow of people as necessary to contain large-scale situations", we could put it that way.

emillionth wrote:

Cholls wrote:Although Covid-19 is making like The Next Black Death

Your words. Nobody else's as far as I'm aware.

I'm being facetious, ffs. This whole thing is a HUGE--EXTRAORDINARY--joke at the public's expense, off of which a small number of people (including some senators, pharmaceutical investors, and bankers BANKERS BANKERS!!!) have made and will continue to make an obscene, nay, a SHAMELESS amount of money.

And I'm being insensitive (actually just honest) in that many people with one foot on the banana peel have had their paths greased but, hey, we all gotta die some time (except, like I said, Henry Kissinger and that Rothschild guy who supposedly inspired Monty Burns).



Stage 4 pancreatic cancer? No problem! Cause of death: COVID-19

Lab tests not required!



"The media hysteria is based on a Bill Gates-funded IHME Coronavirus model that has been proven to be way off."

Bill Gates?! Way off?! But... but... his company's OS is so... nevermind

As I said before, anyone can make a model that says anything they want it to.



Don't get me wrong. I'm not knocking it. COVID-19 has succeeded fabulously in:

1. diverting attention from Jeffrey Epstein's extensive, international human trafficking organization.
(the profitability of human trafficking already outstripped the illegal drug trade years ago)
2. diverting attention from the fact that many powerful White males were photographed with and documented as having attended events on Epstein's island.
3. diverting attention from the fact that Epstein's girlfriend and business partner is and probably will remain at large, conducting business as usual.

4. very likely destroying many (pesky) small businesses the world over.

5. damaging the global economy far more than the 2008 recession (who cares about "the poor"? We bankers just wanna seize their stuff!).

6. threatening, if not ending the use of cash, rendering all financial transactions digitally traceable (your server's tips should've been taxed decades ago! Compounded daily, the interest on that $3.50 by now would total... ).
7. and much, much, more...



At this point, COVID-19 absolutely must have a huge death toll, or even those who trust their governments to do what's best for them might begin to suspect something.

https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2020/04/cdc-tells-hospitals-list-covid-19-cause-death-even-assumed-caused-contributed-death-lab-tests-not-required/

A new ICD code was established to keep track of Coronavirus deaths.

The U07.1 code will be used for death by Coronavirus infection.

However, there’s another secondary code, U07.2, “for clinical or epidemiological diagnosis of COVID-19 where a laboratory confirmation is inconclusive or not available,” the CDC guidelines read.

Because laboratory test results are not typically reported on death certificates in the U.S., NCHS is not planning to implement U07.2 for mortality statistics.

This is a huge problem.

"The underlying cause depends upon what and where conditions are reported on the death certificate. However, the rules for coding and selection of the underlying cause of death are expected to result in COVID- 19 being the underlying cause more often than not,” the guidelines read.

You bet there will be a HUGE COVID-19 death toll!!!