Disappearing co-worker

Quoth wrote:Reading this thread the thought that kept going through my head was about the absurdity of making the media we consume massively more violent and sexualised as has happened over the last 10-15 years whilst simultaneously trying to sanitise the our social interactions with real people.

The media here in America is far more sexually repressed than in other parts of the world (despite the fact that we knowingly elected a self-admitted womanizer as President), but it's just as violent, maybe more so. It's as if our pathologically puritanical but Native American slaughtering forefathers beamed down in a time machine and took over Time Warner. America will never change.

What's also interesting is that in both cinema and television, violence became more commonplace and extreme after 9-11 and the wars that followed. Right wing pundits rant about how the violent media is causing civil unrest and mass shootings but the opposite is true. Entertainment has always been a reflection of the times.

suppose there were a society in which traumatic violence was so far removed from the life of the ordinary person that they could no longer even conceive of violence as real

would they consider graphically violent media acceptable?

I'm guessing they would find it offensive, like everything else that's unfamiliar.

I think any man who thinks they need to be hyper vigilant is missing some sort of awareness. Don't hug people. Don't touch people. It's not necessary, it's not part of your job. Remember, the other half of these situations and all your worry about false accusations is that many people who are legitimately assaulted feel that they can't come out and say anything because people will not believe them and victims will be blamed.

It is for that reason I see someone screaming about false accusations and my radar goes off with a bunch of warnings that where there's smoke there's fire.

I've been somewhat accused by someone, though they never said anything to my face. Someone really hates me because I openly mocked them and they wanted to make me a pariah. It didn't work out for them though, because I've established a certain level of integrity and behavior and they've done the opposite.

Ashlar wrote:I think any man who thinks they need to be hyper vigilant is missing some sort of awareness. Don't hug people. Don't touch people. It's not necessary, it's not part of your job.

I 'threatened ' a woman with a bowl of pasta. I don't touch people - I had one women try to hug me and I recoiled in fear.

Ashlar wrote:Remember, the other half of these situations and all your worry about false accusations is that many people who are legitimately assaulted feel that they can't come out and say anything because people will not believe them and victims will be blamed.

It is for that reason I see someone screaming about false accusations and my radar goes off with a bunch of warnings that where there's smoke there's fire.

I've been somewhat accused by someone, though they never said anything to my face. Someone really hates me because I openly mocked them and they wanted to make me a pariah. It didn't work out for them though, because I've established a certain level of integrity and behavior and they've done the opposite.

That's the problem - there's no penalty for a false accusation, so no incentive not to make them if you are disgruntled about something. Then people end up not believing people who have really been victimized.

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naps wrote:
The media here in America is far more sexually repressed than in other parts of the world (despite the fact that we knowingly elected a self-admitted womanizer as President),

Which one?

But there IS a penalty a lot of the time. Your boss gropes you at work. You say something to HR. HR defends the company and your boss because your boss is one of the good old boys, a member of the local church, and he came from the same fraternity as the CEO. You don't just get quietly forced out, but black-balled by the community. He spins the story about it like you were trying to get rich off a quick lawsuit and he jokes to his friends though about your big tits. You now can't even get accounting work in this small town because the good old boys network has decided you are persona non-grata.

Specific details are different, but that's one way to tell a story from my former workplace. Not my story, but just another one I'm aware of that is... checks court records... looks like the ceo is offering to settle at the moment, but it's a summary judgment offer so they could be trying to get her to gamble.

naps wrote:What's also interesting is that in both cinema and television, violence became more commonplace and extreme after 9-11 and the wars that followed. Right wing pundits rant about how the violent media is causing civil unrest and mass shootings but the opposite is true. Entertainment has always been a reflection of the times.

I’ve always thought very much the same thing. It was quite clear that America was trying to work through and rationalise some of its own shite behaviour in its media. I remember reading once that something similar happened in Japan at the end of world war 2, in particular with its comics and pulp literature, as the Japanese people dealt with the reality of their own atrocities on the Asian continent.

I do think that sexual content has got worse with it though, I don’t recall full frontal nudity and graphic depictions of rape and incest being a thing in mainstream tv series until quite recently.

Ashlar wrote:I've been somewhat accused by someone, though they never said anything to my face. Someone really hates me because I openly mocked them and they wanted to make me a pariah. It didn't work out for them though, because I've established a certain level of integrity and behavior and they've done the opposite.

So you openly ridiculed someone to the extent that they were hurt/offended enough to resort to claims of sexual harassment which you then avoided due to your relationships with others at your place of employment.

Maybe: Don’t mock people. Don’t bully people. It’s not necessary, it’s not part of your job.

It wasn't a work relationship, and all I did was point out factual material so... nah doesn't matter. I'll continue to ridicule anyone for anything they actually do. That's me.

Parador wrote:That's the problem - there's no penalty for a false accusation, so no incentive not to make them if you are disgruntled about something.

contrary to popular (?) belief, not all women are psychopaths

Quoth wrote:I’ve always thought very much the same thing. It was quite clear that America was trying to work through and rationalise some of its own shite behaviour in its media. I remember reading once that something similar happened in Japan at the end of world war 2, in particular with its comics and pulp literature, as the Japanese people dealt with the reality of their own atrocities on the Asian continent.

Don't forget that ten years later (it takes some time for the effect of a catastrophe to filter through the culture and re-emerge as popular entertainment) Japan made "Godzilla", the first in it's series of nuclear-spawned monster movies.

There was a joke on South Park about how it takes approximately 22 years for something tragic to become funny. I'm anxiously awaiting for all of the 9-11 jokes.