Is it all underpinned by a low state of arousal?

iabsurdlyexist wrote:
The closest thing I can think of at the moment is diminishing returns, which, may go hand in hand with dismissive-avoidant attachment. If a person is continually avoiding attachments, everything they touch will eventually be dismissed and avoided. The independence aspect is worth a mention since attachments have their way of keeping a hold on a person. At this point, I guess I could say diminishing arousal due to dismissing attachments.

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Would one "stand away" from things if there was a reward of enjoyment in it all? Doesn't one "detach" and pull away if said commitment is a drain on resources - losing energy - rather than gaining energy? Depression is a standing away from everything also. I know you mentioned bipolar here for yourself.

I have a hard time wrapping my head around the idea that SPD is "avoidance" by way of losing oneself into commitments because it encroaches on independence, in and of itself. What's at play? Energy?

Isn't it a language barrier when someone with SPD interacts with other people via emotional expressions, incoming? You read of everyone here putting on a "mask" when interacting.

Do two known SPD people "high 5 " each other, safely, because they know they wont be sucked away by their own kind?

Is there really not enough " joy juice" or "arousal" or happiness under the hood causing nothing to be shared via emotional expressions?

Pardon my obsession.

EasyasPi wrote:

iabsurdlyexist wrote:
The closest thing I can think of at the moment is diminishing returns, which, may go hand in hand with dismissive-avoidant attachment. If a person is continually avoiding attachments, everything they touch will eventually be dismissed and avoided. The independence aspect is worth a mention since attachments have their way of keeping a hold on a person. At this point, I guess I could say diminishing arousal due to dismissing attachments.

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Would one "stand away" from things if there was a reward of enjoyment in it all? Doesn't one "detach" and pull away if said commitment is a drain on resources - losing energy - rather than gaining energy? Depression is a standing away from everything also. I know you mentioned bipolar here for yourself.

I have a hard time wrapping my head around the idea that SPD is "avoidance" by way of losing oneself into commitments because it encroaches on independence, in and of itself. What's at play? Energy?

Isn't it a language barrier when someone with SPD interacts with other people via emotional expressions, incoming? You read of everyone here putting on a "mask" when interacting.

Do two known SPD people "high 5 " each other, safely, because they know they wont be sucked away by their own kind?

Is there really not enough " joy juice" or "arousal" or happiness under the hood causing nothing to be shared via emotional expressions?

Pardon my obsession.

This feels like entrapment. Still mulling it over.

EasyasPi wrote:Would one "stand away" from things if there was a reward of enjoyment in it all? Doesn't one "detach" and pull away if said commitment is a drain on resources - losing energy - rather than gaining energy? Depression is a standing away from everything also. I know you mentioned bipolar here for yourself.

I have a hard time wrapping my head around the idea that SPD is "avoidance" by way of losing oneself into commitments because it encroaches on independence, in and of itself. What's at play? Energy?

Is there really not enough " joy juice" or "arousal" or happiness under the hood causing nothing to be shared via emotional expressions?

Energy is definitely at play. Any time something is done against the grain of your personality, it takes extra energy to do so. Maintaining commitments drains energy, possibly more for SPD depending on the commitment. The same could be said for reliance on others. This is just one aspect, it wasn't meant to define the source of SPD. I should have paid closer attention to the main point of the topic before making a reply based on it.

As for the source, I don't have a clue. If I knew the cause of my issue, maybe it wouldn't be an issue? It also seems there are entirely too many versions of SPD or SPD with comorbids to pinpoint anything concretely.

Thanks.

I guess what I'm wanting to say here in layman's terms, is that there is a lower state of mind ( energy, arousal) to not bubble out and relate to other people on that external emotional level, when other people bubble out their feelings, right and left. That's where the mask comes to play and "avoiding emotions" and staying too long because it's mostly unrelatable. You draw away from it, because you don't do it yourself, and staying that way in any relationship takes cognitive effort. I.e., you don't do it, so you lose yourself by way of relating to them. (Sounds like engulfment?) SPD folks don't stand "aloof" around their pets. Why?

So I think there is just a lower level of "arousal" causing the bubbles to not bubble out, via a compromised genetic brain function.

And how about *foot dreaming? If the brain were completely aroused, I'd suspect the preoccupation with daydreaming and introspection would fade away. It's like one is half awake here in this personality in everything that is done, under the sun.

* made up term.

I let my mind mull it over some more and I guess it's the same reason I never replied in the first place, I just don't seem to relate to that.

I agree with the over/under stimulation discussed by ElephantEyes and ZonedOut. The laziness thread got me thinking about this again. I wanted to explain my point of view of it but I have this thing where I constantly disagree with myself. I can quickly say that I agree with the hypersensitivity for overstimulation even though an explanation really needs to go with this. As for understimulation, I want to mention a specific type of IQ but I am not sure which type covers it. I can't seem to consciously tap into my inner workings properly, only recognize them.

IDK, iae about that disturbance. It might a thread worthy topic. I kinda feel the same way about tapping into some potential. I always feel there some potential that is unusable, viscerally.

Back to the thread topic:

Do you think that the "hypersensitivity" is because the external world is not stimulating enough to particpate in? Causing an inner over- stimulation or hypersensitivty to the incoming people stuff? Hence the schizoid recoil?

Is it like you upon awakening in the morning and you say "shut up" to the alarm clock?

If you were one to one or wide awake, would the alarm clock be hit by a shoe?

Two states of schizoid:

Schizoid 1 is catatonic;

Schizoid 2 is partially catatonic.

Schizoid one is not hypersentive.

I believe the hypersensitivity could be the original underlying cause with some other factors. Negative life circumstances cause individuals to cope. The amount, severity and duration changes the outcome and why spectrum's make sense. A person that is not hypersensitive along with other genes may come out swinging while others may come out with a personality disorder.

Part of the under-stimulation may be some block due to coping along with the aforementioned intelligence. Due to a less immediate need in social intelligence, the brain focuses elsewhere. Lacking strong attachments compounds this issue.

iabsurdlyexist wrote:Part of the under-stimulation may be some block due to coping along with the aforementioned intelligence. Due to a less immediate need in social intelligence, the brain focuses elsewhere. Lacking strong attachments compounds this issue.

I couldn't finish the post and should've saved it instead of posting. As the last sentence mentions, I believe there are more than a few things that can compound the under-stimulation issue. It could also include motivation, ego, age, comorbid disorders and/or current life circumstance.

Thanks for effort.

My motives for being here is to find out more about it. About SPD.

There isn't much out there that helps, other than the info. coming out of the horses mouth.... and that's right here.

So far I've learned that it looks like having a depression without the mood disorder, making it look like an attachment disorder. The attachment disorder is drawing away due to an inability to have personal interest in the world.

It also has a scale in intensity, or "spectrum," going from bad to worse, like depression has, too.

It's all really an energy scale by looking at the motivations a la test questions: " Do you have trouble in doing things.... finding enjoyment in everyday things." Etc.

The bottom line is it shares the catatonic spectrum of schizophrenia, or negative symptoms, which translate into all of the above.

Anything else, feel free to chime in ....anyone....