How would you like to die?

Yeah I'd like to die by suicide too. And also it really annoys me the way some people think that you don't even have the right to end your own life and that you can committed for that. I mean who cares anyone it's none of anyone else's damn business. So that makes me want to someday die that way even more than I already did in a way even though I'm really not one for making statements at all. But I just want it to be my decision. I don't mind dying randomly suddenly and painlessly either of course. The only thing I would hate is to be dying if it was some drawn out process and especially if I couldn't take care of myself and had to be taken to hospital. Urgh. Or if it was painful too. I liked the idea of jumping as it seems dramatic like jumping into the void. But I would only do that if there weren't any other people around at all and it's hard to find somewhere that's totally like that. I'd just have to find something painless and effective to OD on.

Suicide is the ultimate self-efficiency - if you do it right
The thought of the possibility to end all fear/stress/pain by committing suicide decreases the fear/stress/pain itself, like all other factors of resilience do. And in the same way you can become addicted to it, if you don't manage to decrease the environmental triggers of your fear/stress/pain. And: no, you will never learn to autoregulate your fear/stress/pain anymore. You mother failed to teach you when you were between 1½ and 3 years old, when you were able to learn it. Now, you don't. It doesn't get any better. Be happy with what you've got.

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mitsugo no tamashii hyaku made
The soul of a three year old stays with him a hundred years

We're gonna miss you guys.

The only way you can show that is really what you want to is by doing it.

orinoco wrote:Suicide is the ultimate self-efficiency - if you do it right
The thought of the possibility to end all fear/stress/pain by committing suicide decreases the fear/stress/pain itself, like all other factors of resilience do. And in the same way you can become addicted to it, if you don't manage to decrease the environmental triggers of your fear/stress/pain. And: no, you will never learn to autoregulate your fear/stress/pain anymore. You mother failed to teach you when you were between 1½ and 3 years old, when you were able to learn it. Now, you don't. It doesn't get any better. Be happy with what you've got.

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mitsugo no tamashii hyaku made
The soul of a three year old stays with him a hundred years

True. Suicidal idealization is comforting. Additionally, there is the "cry for help" suicide attempt which can be useful for jump-starting the process of getting help or, if you are so inclined, just getting attention.

Also, as I said: (quote is from Ashlar's Funerals and dealing with the dying thread)

naps wrote:Also, I've noticed there seem to be a lot of threads about death and dying on this forum, and not just relating to emotional affect. There was my thread about your own death, and a while back there was a discussion about how long our corpses would lie there unattended before somebody noticed.

I wonder why that is?

And here we are with another one.

zeno wrote:But think about it: a right is something granted to you by other people. Autonomy is not needing a right to be granted to you, but having the ability to just do what you decide to instead.

Yes, but there is a strict relation between individual freedom and the level of guarantee of rights: more higher is the second, more the first rises. Unless you are V for Vendetta. You have stated before that you consider the act of suicide the opposite of autonomy: but suicide is an act that goes against moral conventions, even against the law in some cases; when it is a rational choice, no one is more autonomous than who commits it. It's a very hard right to grant to people, nevertheless we do it since the dawn of time.

Anyway, this post was absolutely not intended to be an apology of suicide.

undergroundman wrote:You have stated before that you consider the act of suicide the opposite of autonomy

I wasn't talking about the act though, I was talking about the fantasy. No people who have killed themselves come back here to talk about it (unless ghosts, like cats, can also go online and post comments). But many people who fantasize about it and romanticize it and trivialize it do. I find that kind of normalizing attitude bothersome.

The freedom to do something (taken or granted, doesn't matter) is very different from the choice to do it. It's just like insurance. It's good to have it, but nobody wants to actually get to use it, and it's never a good idea to count on it.

In real life, people don't kill themselves because they feel that they have the power to do it, they do it because they feel powerless and don't see any other way out. Or else they just keep on living.

zeno wrote:But many people who fantasize about it and romanticize it and trivialize it do. I find that kind of normalizing attitude bothersome.

Couple questions.

1) How do you know they are trivialising it? Somebody may come across flippant but have dedicated a lot of time to seriously thinking about it.

2) Why shouldn't it be normalized? Personally I'm all for human euthanasia. I will never understand why it's seen as a virtuous thing to do for suffering animals but it's so controversial for people.

Aeva117 wrote:1) How do you know they are trivialising it? Somebody may come across flippant but have dedicated a lot of time to seriously thinking about it.

2) Why shouldn't it be normalized? Personally I'm all for human euthanasia. I will never understand why it's seen as a virtuous thing to do for suffering animals but it's so controversial for people.

Again: I'm talking about the fantasy, not the act. Maybe you're looking at it as an inescapable scenario that you're going to face because of your illness. In that case, if it really is inescapable, then you're reacting to a realistic future to relieve your anxiety about it. That makes sense, and makes you less distracted/sidetracked by the prospect, not more. But that's a fringe case. The way people here so often talk about it (I don't mean just recently, I mean "historically"), it's not a reaction to actual inescapable or probable realities. It's a trope.

Zeno, I totally agree with your angle, I share your bother about this keyboard nihilism, indeed I have specified between those I judge rational choices (life can become an evaluation between pros and cons, in some desperate cases), from those that are romantic (and stupid) outbursts, and I hope I'll not find myself in such issues. When I was 16 I saw a girl of my age hanging herself after being left by her boyfriend, and I thought the worst things upon her.

However, I'm convinced by the importance of institutions such living will, euthanasia and assisted suicide. Besides, I think that, within the wide range between the rational choice and the romantic outburst, there are many shades of grey. Every person has its own method to cope with life and death, and the decision of a man to put an end to his life may be such a poorly dramatic choice compared to the story of another man who has achieved 100 after a miserable existence.