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Postby Third_Eye_Seed » Sun Mar 11, 2007 10:59 pm

So, about twenty minutes ago my father entered my room and sat on the end of my bed and asked if I had any friends, a girlfriend, or anything. I do have friends, but when I said that he asked why I didn't do anything with them. I told him I didn't want to, that I didn't have any desire to do anything with them at all. I kind of blurted out that I had SPD, he asked what it was and I explained it to him.

He kind of laughed it off, like he doesn't believe it or anything. I want to explain it to him some more, but it's difficult to talk to someone as hard-headed as he is about anything, and I'm sure he wouldn't understand. He's always riding my back about going outside somewhere, how do I explain that I don't WANT to? I don't WANT friends. Why is it so hard to understand? ._.
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Postby Joel Overbeck » Sun Mar 11, 2007 11:16 pm

Don't bother. They won't understand, so don't count on it.

They had been asking me for years until they grew tired. My mother still assumes, because she asks and doesn't wait for the reply to answer herself, that the problem is that I'm shy and/or that I have social phobia. Tell them you need to be alone and that you'll do it whether they understand it or not. I don't know how old you are, but it's not their decision. They can't force you to go out and "have fun", even more when you most likely won't.
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Postby Third_Eye_Seed » Sun Mar 11, 2007 11:25 pm

Joel Overbeck wrote:Don't bother. They won't understand, so don't count on it.
Yeah, I know he won't.

Joel Overbeck wrote:They had been asking me for years until they grew tired. My mother still assumes, because she asks and doesn't wait for the reply to answer herself, that the problem is that I'm shy and/or that I have social phobia. Tell them you need to be alone and that you'll do it whether they understand it or not. I don't know how old you are, but it's not their decision. They can't force you to go out and "have fun", even more when you most likely won't.
Even if I say something like that, he'll just ask why, to which I don't really have an answer. People are boring?
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Postby Artificial Lifeform » Mon Mar 12, 2007 1:55 am

Don't bother.
Few, if any, people will understand/take you seriously.
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Postby Alex Foster » Mon Mar 12, 2007 10:39 pm

If they don't believe it exists, the only thing you can do is provide documentation--from wikipedia or my site has some resources that you could print out and give to them. If they choose not to understand after that then all the talking in the world probably won't convince them.
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Postby Alex Foster » Mon Mar 12, 2007 10:42 pm

And this article from the New York Times could be useful:

New York Times wrote:November 21, 2006
Cases
Like a Fish Needs a Bicycle: For Some People, Intimacy Is Toxic
By RICHARD A. FRIEDMAN, M.D.

It is practically an article of faith among psychotherapists that an intimate human relationship is good for you. None other than Freud himself once famously said that health requires success in work and in love.

I’m not so sure. It seems that for some people, love and intimacy might not just be undesirable but downright toxic.

Not long ago, a man consulted me about his 35-year-old son, who had made a suicide attempt.

“I was shocked, because he never seemed depressed or unhappy in his life,” the man said of his son. “He always preferred his own company, so we were relieved when he started to date.”

He went on to tell me that he and his wife had strongly encouraged their son to become engaged to a woman he was dating. “She was perfect for him,” he recalled. “Warm, intelligent and affectionate.”

Everything seemed to be going well until, one day, the father got a call from his son’s girlfriend. She had not heard from the son for several days, so she went to his apartment and found him semiconscious in a pool of blood. He had taken an overdose of sleeping pills and slit his wrists.

After a brief hospitalization, where he was treated for depression with medication, he returned home and broke off the relationship. Soon after, he moved to Europe to work but remained in frequent e-mail contact with his family. His messages were always pleasant, though businesslike, full of the day-to-day details of his life. The only thing missing, his father recalled, was any sense of feeling.

I got a taste of this void firsthand when his son came home for a family visit during the holidays. Sitting in my office, he made little direct eye contact but was pleasant and clearly very intelligent. He had lots of interests: computers, politics and biking. But after an hour of speaking with him, I suddenly realized that he had not mentioned a single personal relationship in his life.

“Who is important to you in your life?” I asked.

“Well, I have my family here in the States and some friends from work,” he said.

“Do you ever feel lonely?”

“Why would I?” he replied.

And then I suddenly understood. He wasn’t depressed or unhappy at all. He enjoyed his work as a software engineer immensely, and he was obviously successful at it. It was just that human relationships were not that important to him; in fact, he found them stressful.

Just before he made his suicide attempt, he remembered, he had been feeling very uncomfortable with his girlfriend and the pressure from his parents. “I wanted everyone to go away,” he recalled.

Typical of schizoid patients, this man had a lifelong pattern of detachment from people, few friends and limited emotional expressiveness. His well-meaning parents always encouraged him to make friends and, later on, to date, even though he was basically uninterested in social activities.

“We thought he was just shy but had lots of feeling inside,” his father told me.

That’s what his son’s therapist believed too. When I telephoned her, she explained that she had been pushing him over the four years of treatment to be more social, make friends and finally date. She attributed his failure to do this in any significant way to his underlying anxiety and low self-esteem. “With time,” she said confidently, “I expect he’ll make progress.”

When I got off the phone, I wondered if we had been talking about the same patient. I found him calm, detached and self-confident about his abilities and work.

His therapist apparently believed that no one could genuinely prefer solitude and that there must be a psychological block preventing this patient from seeking intimacy.

But after four years of weekly therapy the patient had basically failed to reach any of these goals. You would think that for this reason a therapist would question whether the treatment was really the right type for the patient. After all, if your doctor gives you an antibiotic that doesn’t kill an infection, he or she should question the diagnosis, the treatment or both.

Granted, psychiatric illnesses are generally more difficult to treat than simple bacterial infections, but why should psychotherapy be any less self-critical and self-correcting than the rest of medicine?

I had a hard time explaining all this to the patient’s father. Finally, I came up with an analogy that I had some hesitation about, but since I discovered that both of us were dog lovers, I gave it a try. I explained that some breeds, like Labradors, are extremely affiliative; other breeds are more aloof and will squirm if you try to hold them.

“You mean my son is detached by nature,” he said. “I guess we all pushed him too hard to do something he couldn’t do and didn’t want.”

Emotional intimacy, it seems, is not for everyone.
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Postby Nick » Tue Mar 13, 2007 1:51 am

Ugh, how I dread that conversation.

I don't think it's something that is sayable, our kind of people have always been misunderstood or wrongly percieved, but that is a foundation of the so called affliction.

They feel emotional and social ties, so much of each day, even when they're alone they still see themselves as connected. I guess when you've lived your whole life like that, it's hard to understand that some people just don't see things their way.

SPD is treated with empathy, but it seems at times, the rest of the world could learn a thing or two about empathy, try seeing things our way.
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Postby Third_Eye_Seed » Tue Mar 13, 2007 2:31 am

So my situation can't be helped very much, huh? >_>
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Postby kookiemaster » Tue Mar 13, 2007 12:01 pm

Parents can be very resistant to the idea because basically they tend to see anything you may have as a result of their inadequacy as parents ... which may or may not be true. Just like how they tend to overstate the achievements of their kids because if their kid is "special" in a good way, it makes them good parents.

This is a rouch outline of what I've told my parents:

<i>I have SPD, I don't miss people and I don't feel like being with people, 99% of the time. There is no cure and pills can't help, it's the way I am. You can accept that and deal with me on my own terms or you can choose not to and I just won't interact with you at all and I will not miss you and that's just that ... and if it makes you feel crappy it's not my fault because YOU choose how you feel about how I act. I'm not responsible for your feelings or your misery. Your feelings belong to you and you control them, you are not a victim of how I act or don't act.</i>

It's the best thing I ever did. I never should have waited so long.
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