Morality/Murder

Strangely enough, although for me being very near death was not an unpleasant experience (mind you the follow-up was painful and not fun), I still would not want to kill.

It has pretty much rid me of the fear of death but I still would have qualms about causing it, be it out of compassion or otherwise ... even the worst creeps in the world.

kookiemaster wrote:Strangely enough, although for me being very near death was not an unpleasant experience (mind you the follow-up was painful and not fun), I still would not want to kill.

do you mean near the death of another being? i've been near my own death and it makes me even less inclined to be morally concerned about death - either my own or someone else's whether it be natural or not.

Im sure I could kill someone. I have no troubles embracing the dark side.
But I doubt that I would want to kill someone. I do not know how my body and mind would react on it. And I would hate to mentally trash myself forever.

I sometimes have very very violent fantasies and dreams though. I've had dreams about strangling women, strangling children, strangling cats (im a big cat lover ), Stabbing people, Shooting people with automatic guns, Sniping people, Assaulting people... The list goes on...
Combined with my twisted world-view and moral values, I would say that people like me goes to hell, but since I don't believe in any afterlife, I dont.

dogtanian wrote:

kookiemaster wrote:Strangely enough, although for me being very near death was not an unpleasant experience (mind you the follow-up was painful and not fun), I still would not want to kill.

do you mean near the death of another being? i've been near my own death and it makes me even less inclined to be morally concerned about death - either my own or someone else's whether it be natural or not.

I mean near my own death. It sort of reassured me since I didn't see any religious crap and the whole process was not painfull or stressfull. But being near the death of an animal dear to me (I haven't witnessed a human being die per say so I can't speak to that) is highly unpleasant to me. While I do have some relief that their suffering is no longer, it still hurts and tears at me.

Artificial Lifeform wrote:I sometimes have very very violent fantasies and dreams though. I've had dreams about strangling women, strangling children, strangling cats (im a big cat lover ), Stabbing people, Shooting people with automatic guns, Sniping people, Assaulting people... The list goes on...
Combined with my twisted world-view and moral values, I would say that people like me goes to hell, but since I don't believe in any afterlife, I dont.

lol, often when I'm drifting off to sleep at night I end up imagining very violent scenes, or just daydreaming in general. I get so immersed in my imagination I end up cringing several times.. and pulling strange facial expressions before finally getting to sleep. Thoughts of getting my head smashed in.. fighting a group of people, stuff like that. Or usually just thinking about something I've done recently, like cycling and imagine myself falling off my bike and impaling myself on some spikes on a fence.

Could you kill someone? Do you have a moral sense about it being wrong?

I'm pretty sure I could kill someone. But most people don't upset me enough for me to really want to do them harm. As long as they leave me alone, I really don't care about them.
I think it's wrong to kill somebody that hasn't done anything to hurt you. Only sadists would do that and I'm not a sadist.

I could never kill someone unless I was in a situation where I had to defend myself. Even then I might just try to seriously injure the person.

Morally, yes I think most killing is wrong.

One of my all-time favorite characters from fiction remains Raskolnikov from "Crime and Punishment". For those of you who haven't read this amazing book, (minor spoiler alert!)it's about a young ex-student who kills a cruel and selfish pawnbroker out of utilitarian reasons (he plans to give out her robbed fortune to the poor). I won't go into the details of his complex character, but he is one of the very few characters in fiction to which I could relate to. I really had just one problem with him. Later on in the story we learn that he has previously developed a strange ubermensch theory which gives him the right to shape the world without moral constraints. I myself probably wouldn't find it hard to kill a person personally, but on what basis should I decide whether a person deserves death? I am not some omnipotent being who can objectively determine one's faults, so I have no right to judge and execute people like that. Still, if for example there weren't an effective juridical system or if somebody's life were threatened by an aggressor I would have far less restraints in my final decision.

One more thing, I find it far more repulsive and wrong to harm or torture other people. I would (most probably) never do something like that. It serves almost no purpose and if I were to end somebody's life I would try to do it in as painless a method I could think of. Death isn't pain. If anything it's a release from pain, be it a return to oblivion, some kind of final christian judgement or reincarnation.

oh how i've thought about this one. would i kill someone?

i have a strong sense of self-duty and resposibility, (i hate it sometimes) all my days growing up, i was told to treat people how i wanted to be treated, and i guess hearing it enough made it sink in.

in my life, death is a very distant factor, i haven't experienced a loss of close family or friends, like, ever. i am simply desensitized to it in any other form, hearing about a death was nothing, being remorseful and regretting what we could have done was nothing.

i would have to be in a position where death would be beneficial or favorable at all to me, in order to judge my action. would my moral origins restrict me? this is a cloudy question for me. mostly because of my neutral inclination towards death and dying.

if you could find me a position, where i would be saving a person by killing them (or somebody else), or where it would be of great reward to me or a loved one, yeah i'd probably kill.

Just to clarify my thinking on this:

One of the key components of being schizoid is being indifferent to people, therefore it doesn't seem like it would matter to schizoids if someone else dies.

For example, if someone attacked you and you killed them in self defense--would it bother you? I understand that 'normal' people need therapy even if they kill someone protecting themselves. I wouldn't need therapy for that because it wouldn't bother me. I'm not going to go out and hunt people down--I don't feel strongly about anyone or anything to put that kind of effort into the process--but I wondered if you think you'd feel anything if you had to kill someone for some reason.

I suppose I didn't phrase it properly in my first post.