Schizoids and Ecstecy

Fish in water wrote:

aloofiam wrote:People who haven't ever tried drugs, like yourself, shouldn't even have an opinion about them.

<devil's advocate>
And presumably you would also suggest that since minors have never voted they're not allowed to have an opinion on politics? Or someone who's never robbed a house should not be allowed to have an opinion on burglars?
</devil's advocate>

Bad argument.
You can have experience with politics even if you've never voted in your life.

I agree with aloofiam. I don't understand how people can have these opinions without having experience.
Most of the opinions people have about drugs are based on misinformation and propaganda. Governments use "scare tactics" because they don't have anything else, and sadly it works.

It's funny really. When it comes to more "lightside" political things like taxes and stuff, the general trust in the governments are usually low or very low. But when it comes to drugs the general population trust their governments blindly.

Why is it that the government is so anti-drug? I can understand coke and heroine, but acid, shrooms and weed?

If people expanded their minds and opened the doors of perception every once and a while, I think the world would be a better place. This goes espetially for conservatives, and schizoids.

Artificial Lifeform wrote:Bad argument.
You can have experience with politics even if you've never voted in your life.

You can have experience with drugs even if you've never tried them.
The experience is quite different though.
Someone I used to know was allergic to cannabis. I saved her life when I found her going into anaphylactic shock during a gig at which a lot of people were smoking.

Yes, I agree the politics is a bad analogy though.

And although I've never tried drugs myself, and still feel entitled to hold an opinion, I do realise that it's not necessarily a totally informed opinion. I had a long long discussion on a matter of driving with a housemate once, and since he didn't drive and never had, he hadn't even the basic understanding of why his argument wasn't realistic. He won't ever understand until he tries driving a few times. I expect that's closer to the drug user / never tried thing.

People holding opinions about things they don't hold all the facts about happens all the time. That's life. Can one ever have all the facts that you need about everything you wish to hold an opinion on?

Drugs are drugs. Some people are scared shitless by them, and others do not care.

Do what you want as long as you don't physically harm someone else. I dislike when non-drug users try to interfere with that.

Most drugs are kids stuff anyways. Marijuana, mushrooms, benzo's, hydrocodone, etc. Such a stigma there is about heroin. You don't have to shoot it. Snorting and smoking work too. Just know your dose and don't use dirty needles. No big deal.

All I can say is may the Force be with you guys

Fish in water wrote:Someone I used to know was allergic to cannabis. I saved her life when I found her going into anaphylactic shock during a gig at which a lot of people were smoking.

jeez, assuming this story is true, you really have to wonder at the stupidity of someone allergic to cannabis going to a place where it is very likely to be smoked.

Fish in water wrote:People holding opinions about things they don't hold all the facts about happens all the time. That's life. Can one ever have all the facts that you need about everything you wish to hold an opinion on?

People holding opinions on stuff they don't know about are severely annoying. Most of the time its just because they like to feel important, like their voice matters. Yeah, maybe it is life but that doesn't make it any less idiotic. As for the last sentence there, maybe not, but they should at least realise there is usually an agenda at hand with this kind of information. You don't even have to research very far at all to realise that, there should be at least a LITTLE amount of research/thought done into an opinion before voicing it; THIS, is my problem. I'm surprised these people even learnt how to breathe without someone telling them.

Hi bobalobugle.

bobalobugle wrote:People holding opinions on stuff they don't know about are severely annoying. Most of the time its just because they like to feel important, like their voice matters. Yeah, maybe it is life but that doesn't make it any less idiotic. As for the last sentence there, maybe not, but they should at least realise there is usually an agenda at hand with this kind of information. You don't even have to research very far at all to realise that, there should be at least a LITTLE amount of research/thought done into an opinion before voicing it; THIS, is my problem. I'm surprised these people even learnt how to breathe without someone telling them.

I'd like you to bear this paragraph of yours in mind as you read the following part of my post.

bobalobugle wrote:

Fish in water wrote:Someone I used to know was allergic to cannabis. I saved her life when I found her going into anaphylactic shock during a gig at which a lot of people were smoking.

jeez, assuming this story is true, you really have to wonder at the stupidity of someone allergic to cannabis going to a place where it is very likely to be smoked.

Before we went she had no idea that she was allergic to cannabis.






I trust that I don't have to point out the obvious here?

That sometimes people have allergies that cause them to have reactions? If indeed she didn't know she had the allergy beforehand, then why did you use it in your post? It's like saying nuts shouldn't be in chocolate bars because eventually someone is going to react to it.

Unless it was a neutral comment, but given the context you probably should have specified so.

As it is, this is just idle chit chat, when having opinions on something huge that could (and does) affect many peoples lives, it'd be wise to do a little research no? I read something a little while ago (which I agree with, of course) that the most damage done to familys from drug use is from the emotional reaction of family members rather than the drug use itself. I for one feel like I should be able to do what I want (as long as it isn't harming others) and I'm given the facts. Most of what the government dishes out about drugs is NOT the objective truth, it is heavily biased. It is patronizing to everyone.. well, it would be if most people didn't just swallow it.

Whatever!

Has anyone had any good times on drugs that they'd like to share? Like revelations or cool hillucinations, or scoring.

right, and you're schizoid you say? :p