Are all schizoids the same?

Yeah. A total lack of need to connect is like a total lack of emotions - impossible.

Thats correct. Someone corrected my view of what i thought emotions were. We all have them. The issue is that some people have a loose connection to them. Some identify strongly. some identify with them on a lesser scale and portray emotions that they don't nesserally feel. or "put their finger on it".

the usual answers (in my head) to happy mad bored excited.angry


Are neither. both. havnt thought about it.yes no. i don't know. Um Yeah

But answering in this way is not one of the multiple choice questions.

Since the ? itself is irelievent any answer is true and correct.

Im fine. um bored. um not bored. good good and you. yeah im having fun. Um yeah sure. Why not.

Invisible wrote:

jradetzky wrote:

Joe Dirt wrote:For me its a little different. i don't need to gain incite about me because i am me. im not that interested in something i already know. i post on these forums to understand "YOU". "YOU is anything thats not "ME".

Cool. Sounds like a riddle or something.

Like, why do you want to understand ME? I don't want to understand YOU or anybody else, I just care about being able to better understand MYSELF, because my "falling in love" experience left me reeling and showed me a completely unknown side of me that I MUST know.

Joe Dirt, it's curious that you say that you're only interested in learning about others. It sounds like you're bored with yourself, and schizoids are supposedly more introspective than that.

Jradetsky, it sounds like you got very hurt from your "falling in love" experience, and are seeking comfort in the "arms" of anonymous strangers. This too, is a form of socialization and attention-seeking, but I suppose there is something about being alone at the computer and socializing that is easier than trying to tell a real live person your problems.

Bobalobugle, you and other like-minded people post on these forums because you are seeking understanding. While many of the posts are informative and are an exchange of ideas and opinions, many of the posts seem to be just people "LOLing" and sharing inane personal details for the same reasons most people do: to be heard. Not for an exchange of information, but rather to just be heard and perhaps a virtual "pat on the back".

In this way I see the schizoids posters, if they are in fact schizoid, not to be different from most people. There is a deep need for socialization in all human beings; it is instinct.

It is easier to share personal details, which is a form of intimacy, online because it is anonymous. But intimacy means you are still trying to connect to people in some form.

Because the truth is, if you really found writing to be cathartic, and your own thoughts and own mind sufficient, you would simply write in a journal, no? In some form, you want to be heard, perhaps, to be understood.

Ghostgurl, I suspect that the extroverts who claim to be schizoid probably want to be seen as "different" or "special" in some way, as the self-diagnosis would completely contradict their behavior. They would more likely suffer from NPD because of a desire to be "special" or of a different status than others.

I also suspect that most schizoids merely repress the need to socialize out of some fear or discomfort. It's very much like a child becoming disappointed that they didn't have enough money to buy something and then tell themselves, "I didn't want it anyway." And they'll start to believe this, and begin to think their object of desire is really inferior and undesirable. They tell themselves that they don't care, and on some level, they believe it.

hmm, you seem to be making an awful, awful lot of assumptions about everyone based on your rigid thinking that people should do such and such or else such and such. It's not necessarily that simple. I don't want a journal because I don't care about being heard, more to post about fragmented thoughts, if I had a journal i'd feel like I'd have to start structuring it and I really don't have the energy to be doing that, I just type as it comes.

I read that SPD's feel like they need the same people in their lives (family for example) or they feel lost. For me reading and occasionally posting on forums is just part of my routine, if I suddenly stopped doing it I feel like I'd be losing a lot of my thoughts, feeling kind of lost in my head, since it feels like my thoughts are quite heavily based around a routine of sorts. I don't start having huge anxiety and going wild like I read about aspies if my usual routine is interfered with, I might have a mild anxiety but mostly just feel kind of braindead.

Gareth Williams wrote:A total lack of need to connect is like a total lack of emotions - impossible.

i sometimes think i have a lack of need to connect. so many human connections leave me either bored or blank. but i don't have a lack of emotion... hmmm..

Invisible wrote:.

In this way I see the schizoids posters, if they are in fact schizoid, not to be different from most people. There is a deep need for socialization in all human beings; it is instinct.

It is easier to share personal details, which is a form of intimacy, online because it is anonymous. But intimacy means you are still trying to connect to people in some form.

Because the truth is, if you really found writing to be cathartic, and your own thoughts and own mind sufficient, you would simply write in a journal, no? In some form, you want to be heard, perhaps, to be understood.


I also suspect that most schizoids merely repress the need to socialize out of some fear or discomfort. It's very much like a child becoming disappointed that they didn't have enough money to buy something and then tell themselves, "I didn't want it anyway." And they'll start to believe this, and begin to think their object of desire is really inferior and undesirable. They tell themselves that they don't care, and on some level, they believe it.

There are many people posting on this forum, only a few of whom have actually been diagnosed SPD. So it would be a mistake to assume that any particular post represents an unambiguous "schizoid viewpoint". ( which I guess would be a very alienated viewpoint, indeed ). That said, I don't know why schizoids wouldn't be very much like any other persons at a basic level. Not only is a certain amount of social behavior instinctual or "hard-wired", it is virtually necessary as we all have to interact with others to some degree in order to survive.

I'm not sure that sharing personal details online equals intimacy. Or maybe only for those born in the computer age... For those of us who predate the internet, intimacy pretty much requires flesh to flesh contact. But anonymity does make things easier, that is true. It makes it easier to come up with total fabrications if one wishes. One should take anything that one reads on the 'net with more than a grain of salt. It is fascinating to speculate about what some people write and even to draw conclusions. I do it myself, all of the time. But those conclusions might have subtle or gross inaccuracies and so need to be cross checked, tested, etc.. So maybe the best one can come to is a tentative conclusion, pending further information.


I have written thousands and thousands of pages in journals. totally unseen by other people, and most of which never will be seen by anyone other than myself, for a number of reasons. Likewise, I have made hundreds of drawings and dozens of paintings that have never been seen by anyone. Whether or not they were cathartic or even psychologically motivated is questionable in most cases... just the way I've spent my time, doing these things.
Posting messages on these forums seems to me like throwing bottles full of electrons into a cybernetic sea not knowing where they'll wash up or who will read them.


Oh, that old sour grapes feeling again! Done up in a twelve bar blues beat...
There's nothing much new in the world. Aesop wrote his fable of the fox and the unattainable grapes... which, therefore, Must have been sour! over 2,500 years ago. But the message remains fresh. And applicable to many humans, not just schizoids.

To be schizoid is pretty much by definition to be uncomfortable around other people, that is part of the reason why "schizoids" spend so much time alone. But schizoids are quite comfortable being alone and don't have all that much desire for close relationships... if they did, one should more properly call or classify them as "avoidants" rather than schizoid... just to keep the terminology straight.
At various times in their lives, virtually all humans desire some connection with other humans. Language, which is a group effort, takes up quite a lot of space and "processing power" in our brains and seems "intimately" connected to intelligence and our ability to reason. Humans co-evolved with other humans and that social-genetic component is part of what we are and we can't easily escape from it or disregard it.


Gary

dogtanian wrote:

Gareth Williams wrote:A total lack of need to connect is like a total lack of emotions - impossible.

i sometimes think i have a lack of need to connect. so many human connections leave me either bored or blank. but i don't have a lack of emotion... hmmm..

Probably not a total lack though. I have a lack of need to connect but it's not absolute.

What countries have the US randomly bombed?

What muslims have we bombed that warranted our bombing on 9/11?

What country in the world is more tolerant of muslims, and every other religion, than the US?

Janie wrote:What countries have the US randomly bombed?

Well, they started with Mexico in 1845 and haven't stopped ever since. I can think of Panama, Irak, Libya, Japan--big bombs--Germany, Sudan, Vietnam, to name a few.

What muslims have we bombed that warranted our bombing on 9/11?

Irak, like twice per year or so after the Gulf War and before 9/11.

What country in the world is more tolerant of muslims, and every other religion, than the US?

UK, here muslims rule