Are all schizoids the same?

Bloggs wrote:Are you really misanthropic? Let's take the 9/11 attacks as an example.

When you saw the planes crashing into the towers, did you
a) celebrate the fact that a lot of puny humans died
b) take pleasure in the fact that human fallibility allowed it to happen
c) enjoy the spectacle without thinking about human lives at all
d) worry that somebody you liked or admired might have died
e) mourn for the dead

mainly C i think - i found the whole thing utterly fascinating and i still do, when i see the footage, i keep thinking "play it again!" so i can see it again and maybe from a different angle.

but there was a big part of me (probably the cynical part) thinking "well, old uncle sam, you had that coming, didn't you? maybe now you can rethink your foreign policy" - of course they haven't done so but yes, at some points i did think something akin to "they deserved it".

Are you really cynical?
a) Nobody is ever genuinely altruistic; even people who die to save others are thinking about their own posthumous fame
b) Most people are concerned with their own advantage most of the time
c) People are little more than automata; random influences could turn heroes into villains and vice versa
d) People sometimes overcome selfishness and are genuinely nice
e) Even bad people aren't too bad if you understand them well enough

i think i'm a mixture of A and C - i've studied philosophy so in that sense i tend to swing more towards A, but i often think C as well. having said that, every so often something happens that makes me, feetingly, think that maybe D is possible.

I think you schizoids are not really different than other people. You jump at the chance to talk about yourselves and desire to be payed attention to. You want to be listened. You want to connect to people, or why else would you relate boring minutia of your lives to complete strangers?

Invisible wrote:Ior why else would you relate boring minutia of your lives to complete strangers?

LOL now you tell us our lives are boring, now my feelings are really hurt. Only thing I guess is that other people talk about their boring lives in person with other people not in forums online.

pbuss wrote:Only thing I guess is that other people talk about their boring lives in person with other people not in forums online.

Exactly. I'm not trying to insult any of you, but your behavior tends to contradict what you say. You try to act like independent, cynical and depersonalised robots---and are proud of such--- yet a lot of you, if not all of you, generally seem only interested in telling your own life stories, and sharing your personal details, with no interest in actually discussing the disorder, and on a whole, are crying for attention and someone to talk to. All the while saying that you don't need such things.

I suppose it's easier on the internet, since it's so anonymous.

Stranger still are the people who admit behaviors that are clearly extroverted but claim to be proud of their schizoidism.

Exactly. I'm not trying to insult any of you, but your behavior tends to contradict what you say. You try to act like independent, cynical and depersonalised robots---and are proud of such--- yet a lot of you, if not all of you, generally seem only interested in telling your own life stories, and sharing your personal details, with no interest in actually discussing the disorder, and on a whole, are crying for attention and someone to talk to. All the while saying that you don't need such things.

things seem contradictory if you think that what you are looking at contradicts itself. if you don't think such. they will no longer seem contradictory. In my case its the reply im looking 4. and not a reply directly related to my situation. Im learning.

I'm a mix of C, D and G from those types. I wouldn't say I really hate people, though I can sometimes bear grudges. Basically if they don't bother me, I won't be bothered by them. I even don't mind talking with them for a short while. I'm just not looking for friendship. Usually those who do talk to me, talk to me first. I never initiate conversations with anybody. I can't relate to most people and I can't be bothered to try talking to them. So, yeah my motto in life is I could careless about most things, with the exception of doing the things I need to do to survive. Hopefully in as little stress as possible.

IMHO, I don't think person E or H could be considered schizoid. E sounds more avoidant and H just sounds more like an introvert.

I think schizoids definitely do vary, just like everyone else. I don't think they could be extroverts though because extrovert tends to imply that you become energized by being around people, or enjoying socializing a lot, which most schizoids are not.

Invisible wrote:Stranger still are the people who admit behaviors that are clearly extroverted but claim to be proud of their schizoidism.

Yar, strange indeed. I seem to have bouts of extrovertedness as I'm comfortable speaking to large audiences, but freak out in front of two or three people. Also, during my first day at either work or school, I tend to be very talkative and even engage in smalltalk. However, after some days I don't even talk to these same people at all, it just pisses me off.

Invisible wrote:

pbuss wrote:Only thing I guess is that other people talk about their boring lives in person with other people not in forums online.

Exactly. I'm not trying to insult any of you, but your behavior tends to contradict what you say. You try to act like independent, cynical and depersonalised robots---and are proud of such--- yet a lot of you, if not all of you, generally seem only interested in telling your own life stories, and sharing your personal details, with no interest in actually discussing the disorder, and on a whole, are crying for attention and someone to talk to. All the while saying that you don't need such things.

I suppose it's easier on the internet, since it's so anonymous.

Stranger still are the people who admit behaviors that are clearly extroverted but claim to be proud of their schizoidism.

I know I certainly talk/think about my own experiences a lot. Anyone would think it'd go hand in hand with the heavy introspection that is said about SPD's. I don't know other peoples experiences, if I think about them.. I don't know what exactly was going on in their minds or anything like that, only they themselves truly know (and most of the time manage to even deceive themselves, christ).

When I type stuff about myself online I may as well just be writing on a potentially interactive piece of paper, I'm not crying out for attention or anything like that, but more to gain deeper insight into my own experiences. People can only learn from their own experiences. I read something someone else said here... that SPD's are just more honest about it; instead of starting with "my friend did.." etc etc, spd's just say outright instead of hiding behind any insecurities of looking arrogant/attention seeking.

I'm also trying to figure out why exactly people have egos, it all seems dumb to me. but.. in conclusion... I am almost always thinking, usually quite jumbled, thus these slightly hard to read (i imagine) posts. Talking online is also a good way to kind of ... align all my individual jumbled thoughts into a sort of whole, a kind of brain defragmenter if you will. I also read forums quite a lot, I just kind of mull over all the things people say in a very kind of detached way, linking thoughts I have of the "human condition".

I said a little while ago here I feel like my own heavy introspection leads to a great deal of anhedonia.. I'm always so lost inside my head I never pay attention to my surroundings much, just cannot really get absorbed in anything, feeling detached all the time. I wish there were more brain food around, the world is plain and dull and mostly unoriginal. My surroundings mean nothing usually, but interesting things to contemplate long-term are cherished, such things I hope to find by reading through forums a lot, I used to observe a chatroom without ever talking in there much (though I had periods where I would talk quite a lot). I find it more interesting to observe people in their .. "raw" state, than to read books about them for example where it is all contrived.

ALSO TO ADD I CAN'T STAND PRIDE, I AM NOT PROUD OF WHO I AM (but not ashamed of who i am neither), I JUST AM.

I just kind of mull over all the things people say in a very kind of detached way, linking thoughts I have of the "human condition".

correct i could be reading these forms and thinking about ant farms

bobalobugle wrote:When I type stuff about myself online I may as well just be writing on a potentially interactive piece of paper, I'm not crying out for attention or anything like that, but more to gain deeper insight into my own experiences. People can only learn from their own experiences. I read something someone else said here... that SPD's are just more honest about it; instead of starting with "my friend did.." etc etc, spd's just say outright instead of hiding behind any insecurities of looking arrogant/attention seeking.

Absolutely. Posting to this forum has also helped me to gain valuable insights about my own state by reflecting on my experiences and stuff. Writing has a cathartic effect sometimes.