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Re: what's on your mind? (off-topic thread)

Postby emillionth » Sun Nov 25, 2018 2:14 am

naps wrote:Better Call Saul

It gets me thinking:

Is there anything in life that you can pursue which has both good motives and good outcomes, and which at the same time feels rewarding to pursue? Or is this triple combination simply impossible?

And, if this question has any possible answer, is the answer different from one person to another ("possible for some, but not for others"), or is it actually the same for everyone and what's different in reality is just that some people don't see or don't mind bad motives and bad outcomes involved, while others do?

:?:

On another note, Spanish names in English are funny. It took me this long to realize that what in my head was maybe "May Severiday" is actually "Mesa Verde". "Oh! Now it makes sense!" :lol: Makes me wonder if there's any intentional play on words there. I guess a green table is where you gamble, right?
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Re: what's on your mind? (off-topic thread)

Postby Quoth » Sun Nov 25, 2018 3:35 am

emillionth wrote:Is there anything in life that you can pursue which has both good motives and good outcomes, and which at the same time feels rewarding to pursue? Or is this triple combination simply impossible


Gardening...it’s quite difficult to knock gardening. :lol:

Realistically the difficulty is in finding something which is rewarding to pursue, most pursuits can be used for good or bad ends, it’s simply a case of adaptation.
as if in a broken jug for one backwards moment
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Re: what's on your mind? (off-topic thread)

Postby emillionth » Sun Nov 25, 2018 6:25 am

Quoth wrote:Gardening...it’s quite difficult to knock gardening. :lol:

I won't argue with that.

Realistically the difficulty is in finding something which is rewarding to pursue, most pursuits can be used for good or bad ends, it’s simply a case of adaptation.

I find that the most compelling things to pursue on a long term basis are the ones that have no tangible value whatsoever, and the only way for those things (or their natural sequence) to stay compelling is if you never question them. You just go on living your life forever trying to one-up your big brother and not realizing that that's what you're doing.

It's a weird thing. For example, I remember that computer coding could be a lot of fun, and I miss that. But it's an activity that doesn't exist without a goal beyond the activity itself. For the creation process to be rewarding, you need to believe that you're solving a problem. And nowadays I question whether it's even any good for any new computer programs to be created. Because there's no problem that can't be solved by machines -- and then be made worse than before by people.

One question that I often ask myself is: "Is it even a good idea at all to embrace that kind of desire to be bigger than myself? Or is living life one small thing at a time the only sensible way to live?"

I can still get some small measure of satisfaction from smiling back at someone when they thank me for a small favor or when a stranger gets a joke that I made in-game. But I only get disappointment from even thinking of what I could possibly ever do for society at large (and vice-versa). So option B seems the most plausible.

What that means in practice, though, isn't so straightforward. And it's tricky when you need to worry about "grown-up stuff", like health insurance and retirement savings and oh my gawd, they're taking those things away from me and blablabla. But I think it's probably workable. Not being on "social media" is definitely a start.
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Re: what's on your mind? (off-topic thread)

Postby emillionth » Sun Nov 25, 2018 7:14 am

I guess the next iteration of the question is: "Is it possible to overcome rather than satisfy the need to believe in something?"

My gut says it is.
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Re: what's on your mind? (off-topic thread)

Postby Squaredonutwheels » Sun Nov 25, 2018 10:47 am

^I agree. I suspect it's the most miserable detox imaginable though. I've tried it more than once and each time end up frazzling out only to desperately grasp at ANYTHING to fill the void.
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Re: what's on your mind? (off-topic thread)

Postby NPC » Sun Nov 25, 2018 11:07 am

xcagedsilhouttex wrote:One of the islands is called Silhouette Island.


Aren't there cheaper islands to visit? The silhouette island looks amazing, at least from what I saw on google, but it's pretty damn expensive even if you want a costly trip lol
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Re: what's on your mind? (off-topic thread)

Postby salles » Sun Nov 25, 2018 11:05 pm

emillionth wrote:I guess the next iteration of the question is: "Is it possible to overcome rather than satisfy the need to believe in something?"

My gut says it is.


and..
Is it possible to overcome rather than satisfy the need to be happy?
and...
is overcoming a need the same as 'letting go' of a need?
I think not. It suggests suppression of a need.
Possibly, one has to come full circle; satisfy a need before being in a position to let it go.
Also, how does one identify a true need, rather than a counterfeit model constructed in the mind.
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Re: what's on your mind? (off-topic thread)

Postby emillionth » Sun Nov 25, 2018 11:44 pm

salles wrote:is overcoming a need the same as 'letting go' of a need?

No. In my view, it means identifying and incorporating a functionally equivalent construct.

Also, how does one identify a true need, rather than a counterfeit model constructed in the mind.

You draw a line...
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Re: what's on your mind? (off-topic thread)

Postby xcagedsilhouttex » Tue Nov 27, 2018 7:19 pm

I'm so confused. Am I supposed to care about people gossiping about me behind my back? Is it mean that I don't care and don't want to be told to care? How can a single comment I make ruin your entire day? Why is this still going on?

Just... what? How is this still affecting you?

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Re: what's on your mind? (off-topic thread)

Postby naps » Tue Nov 27, 2018 7:24 pm

xcagedsilhouttex wrote:I'm so confused. Am I supposed to care about people gossiping about me behind my back? Is it mean that I don't care and don't want to be told to care? How can a single comment I make ruin your entire day? Why is this still going on?

Just... what? How is this still affecting you?

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