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Re: The threads on this forum

Postby roscid » Tue Jul 09, 2013 11:46 pm

Jadeite wrote:It is unfortunate that we have to discuss specific wording rather than the general idea


This is what happens when you use imprecise terms. You shun concision, but clearly your verbosity has not led to better understanding or productive conversation. It has only made your posts longer and more pretentious. Although I am sure you would rather blame this on the inferiority of us common men.

Jadeite wrote:My intent was to say that all modern intelligent men prefer isolation.


Would you consider Richard Feynman a modern intelligent man? Why or why not?
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Re: The threads on this forum

Postby shailene » Tue Jul 09, 2013 11:52 pm

Dalloway wrote:The young people under 23 are also mostly undiagnosed and living with their parents.
Also my impression is their posts are not as far away from affect as they claim or wish to be.

This reminded me of the passive aggressive pd.
“The behavior often reflects an unexpressed hostility or resentment stemming from a frustrating interpersonal or institutional relationship on which an individual is overly dependent.” “It results in persistent pervasive ineffectiveness, lack of self-confidence, poor interpersonal relationships, and pessimism that can lead in severe cases to major depression, alcoholism, or drug dependence.”

The bold self-diagnosis could be part of reinforcing ineffectiveness. The inconsequential chitchat dominating this forum is in my opinion the un-schizoid, normal way to banter and find self-affirmation. The behavior is more consistent with a clique than a discussion board, not to mention a schizoid one.

I was sitting with the impression that the obvious divide between personality- and writing-styles might be due to some people having a schizoid personality, while others are struggling to the degree that it becomes a disorder. Though of course I realize why teenagers shouldn't diagnose themselves with personality disorders.

I have a hard time relating what I see described as being the "true schizoid" (confident, completely independent, oblivious to others, and free of emotion/affect) to many of the descriptions I've found elsewhere. It was an extensive meta-study published in "The European Journal of Psychiatry" that eventually convinced me that I have this disorder, when I was still on the fence about whether I could relate enough to qualify, and that description was significantly different from the impression I had of the "true schizoid" I read about here.
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Re: The threads on this forum

Postby roscid » Wed Jul 10, 2013 12:12 am

shailene wrote:It was an extensive meta-study published in "The European Journal of Psychiatry" that eventually convinced me that I have this disorder, when I was still on the fence about whether I could relate enough to qualify, and that description was significantly different from the impression I had of the "true schizoid" I read about here.


Do you remember the name of the study, or the issue in which it appeared? I would like to see it even if only for the Abstract.

edit: Was it one of these?

http://scielo.isciii.es/scielo.php?scri ... so&tlng=en

http://scielo.isciii.es/scielo.php?scri ... so&tlng=en
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Re: The threads on this forum

Postby LoneWanderer » Wed Jul 10, 2013 12:26 am

Dalloway wrote:
Jadeite wrote:As a schizoid, why exactly is it that you have a dislike for other people? Is it not because of their crude, predictable behavior? And yet it is the crudest, most predictable threads, and the invitations to the basest, most self-indulgent discussion that accrue the most responses and views.

Thank you for this assembly.

I despise it when people on the Internet thank other people for expressing an opinion that they happen to share. It's such a smug, arrogant, self-congratulatory thing to do. It really bugs me.
Dalloway wrote:The young people under 23 are also mostly undiagnosed and living with their parents.

You so confidently state that as if it's a fact, but I'm pretty sure you're incorrect. I was under the impression that most people on here who are under the age of 23 are currently at college, you silly-goose. :)
Dalloway wrote:Also my impression is their posts are not as far away from affect as they claim or wish to be.

Your impression isn't necessarily correct though, is it? Peoples writing styles may seem to convey more emotion than is genuinely felt by the person typing. For example, I tend to use a lot of smiley emoticons, but I pretty much never smile in real life. My typing style is somewhat compensatory (for my real-life lack of affect).
Dalloway wrote:The bold self-diagnosis could be part of reinforcing ineffectiveness.

I've been visiting this forum for over a year, and from my experience people pretty much never boldly diagnose themselves.
Dalloway wrote:The inconsequential chitchat dominating this forum is in my opinion the un-schizoid, normal way to banter and find self-affirmation. The behavior is more consistent with a clique than a discussion board, not to mention a schizoid one.

People tend to post here out of boredom - most people aren't looking for a serious discussion, but will contribute to a "serious" discussion if it's something they can relate to or something they feel strongly about.
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Re: The threads on this forum

Postby Mrfeathers » Wed Jul 10, 2013 1:53 am

Jadeite wrote:
Jadeite wrote:
Mrfeathers wrote:Can you not see your hypocrisy? Or do you realise that you too are afflicted by the same symptoms of 'unintelligence'; which I believe I resolved you had confused with something else in your last thread.


Jadeite wrote: The Shorter Oxford English Dictionary defines intelligence as the faculty of understanding and understanding as a quality admitting of degree; spec. a superior understanding. Understanding being the chief quality that separates man from beast, it is thus by degrees of superiority denoted as higher intelligence, to the point where it appears to be removed altogether from the beast. In other words the superior man is the most intelligent, since he contains in himself the the greater of the man and the lesser of the beast. Intelligence is what defines the man; instinct, a quality which is minimal in the superior man, the beast.


And do you see how this thread is not an act of intelligence?


No. Tell me.


I'd prefer you tell me why you posted this thread; what psychological action influenced you, what urged you to start it? Also, in the company of those I consider lesser than me in any way I tend to ignore them and leave them alone, preferring to not stoop down to their level and indulge in their petty discussions, so why bother trying to talk to people you consider lower than you if not for an ego-boost? Im curious as to what you actually want. I can't yet see evidence of trying to learn something nor starting a discussion.
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Re: The threads on this forum

Postby Platypus » Wed Jul 10, 2013 2:06 am


Thanks for pasting the links. They both look interesting.

And thanks all, especially Jadeite, for the thread. The bits I have read were amusing and a pleasant distraction from my own mediocre thoughts. I have always come to this forum knowing that I don't have enough intelligence to fully understand myself and solve my problems, and so I seek insight from others. And I do post because I seek affirmation and chit chat. I don't see this as something to be embarrassed about. :D
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Re: The threads on this forum

Postby kelphelp » Wed Jul 10, 2013 2:37 am

Jadeite wrote:I have been lurking in schizoid forums for a while. I have also recently browsed thirty-four pages on this forum. The topics and the level of discussion in the threads demonstrate a profound lack of intelligence. I understand why this is. As was established in my earlier thread, there is little-to-no correlation between the schizoid and intelligence. There was also a poll on these forums which concluded that over fifty percent of the users are under twenty-three years of age.

The discussion in the threads also mimics the structure of ordinary conversation. The language is largely colloquial or modern technical terms. Contractions are used to mimic speech. There is a great effort towards achieving pathos. Many threads are conducted as surveys, or end at the level of mere superficial, informational exchanges. Many responses are terse and constrained, suggesting a sort of posturing of the American cowboy or construction worker for his peers. It will be noted the level of ludicrousness there is in social posturing on a forum for loners existing anonymously and at great distances from each other. The suggestion is that the tendency comes from something primal and genetic, as in the unintelligent.

Well, we have already established that because there is little-to-no correlation between schizoids and intelligence, and because most of the world is unintelligent, most schizoids therefore are unintelligent. The one paradox is that a preference for isolation is and will be uniformly that of the modern intelligent man. It may even be said that this is the greatest gap in and signifier of intelligence between an unintelligent and an intelligent man. Why then does the schizoid, despite having made this great leap, continue to be unintelligent?

Of course, with over fifty percent of the forum being under twenty-three years of age, there is little telling who is who on these forums. The lower percentage of adults may be a result of the high turnover rate of our young schizoids into marriage, etc.

Nevertheless I have been struck several times to see a thoughtfully-worded, deep, intelligent post, just begging for response, and thus a mutual gain of minute shades of understanding of life, attacked as if by posse with flaming brands. Of course, those of you who recall my last thread, will remember that the situation was somewhat similar, but I actually have in mind one by another user, where, while the post in question was dense and somewhat verbose, the poster was called out of appalled illiteracy a lunatic, to which a few others resounded something such 'a shame, he might have had something to say if he were more concise', as if meaningful discussion can ever be had through concision.

Well, anyway, for instance, 'What is your spirit animal?'. I chose to work in a competitive environment, and it sucks. Shall I go to school to become an engineer? [Thread filled with Psychiatric nonsense]. 'Do you avoid relationships and sex?' and 'what would you do if someone told you they liked you?' [combined view counts exceed all other threads combined]. 'I think my husband has SPD'. [Political thread]. [Quote thread]. 'Epically Schizoid Moments'. I would be hard-pressed to distinguish this forum from any other on the Internet. As a schizoid, why exactly is it that you have a dislike for other people? Is it not because of their crude, predictable behavior? And yet it is the crudest, most predictable threads, and the invitations to the basest, most self-indulgent discussion that accrue the most responses and views.


It is sad that you see these threads only as unintelligent, purposeless, whining or musings.

After all, one could say your thread is an intentionally provoking, overly judgmental post that does not belong in a forum that tries to talk about mental health issues and well-being in a productive and thoughtful way.

I think instead of complaining about other people's posts, you might benefit from learning how to connect and communicate with others so that you have better things to think about than how worthless other people's expressions are.
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Re: The threads on this forum

Postby Rob K__ » Wed Jul 10, 2013 3:37 am

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Re: The threads on this forum

Postby roscid » Wed Jul 10, 2013 4:17 am

Platypus wrote:

Thanks for pasting the links. They both look interesting.

And thanks all, especially Jadeite, for the thread. The bits I have read were amusing and a pleasant distraction from my own mediocre thoughts. I have always come to this forum knowing that I don't have enough intelligence to fully understand myself and solve my problems, and so I seek insight from others. And I do post because I seek affirmation and chit chat. I don't see this as something to be embarrassed about. :D


I'm not actually sure if those are the same studies that shailene referenced; neither of them look very "extensive," but hopefully they may provide some insight.

I mostly come here for the same reasons, actually. Curiosity and affirmation.
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Re: The threads on this forum

Postby Jadeite » Wed Jul 10, 2013 4:19 am

Darwinschild wrote:
Jadeite wrote:I have been lurking in schizoid forums for a while. I have also recently browsed thirty-four pages on this forum. The topics and the level of discussion in the threads demonstrate a profound lack of intelligence. I understand why this is. As was established in my earlier thread, there is little-to-no correlation between the schizoid and intelligence. There was also a poll on these forums which concluded that over fifty percent of the users are under twenty-three years of age.

The discussion in the threads also mimics the structure of ordinary conversation. The language is largely colloquial or modern technical terms. Contractions are used to mimic speech. There is a great effort towards achieving pathos. Many threads are conducted as surveys, or end at the level of mere superficial, informational exchanges. Many responses are terse and constrained, suggesting a sort of posturing of the American cowboy or construction worker for his peers. It will be noted the level of ludicrousness there is in social posturing on a forum for loners existing anonymously and at great distances from each other. The suggestion is that the tendency comes from something primal and genetic, as in the unintelligent.

Well, we have already established that because there is little-to-no correlation between schizoids and intelligence, and because most of the world is unintelligent, most schizoids therefore are unintelligent. The one paradox is that a preference for isolation is and will be uniformly that of the modern intelligent man. It may even be said that this is the greatest gap in and signifier of intelligence between an unintelligent and an intelligent man. Why then does the schizoid, despite having made this great leap, continue to be unintelligent?

Of course, with over fifty percent of the forum being under twenty-three years of age, there is little telling who is who on these forums. The lower percentage of adults may be a result of the high turnover rate of our young schizoids into marriage, etc.

Nevertheless I have been struck several times to see a thoughtfully-worded, deep, intelligent post, just begging for response, and thus a mutual gain of minute shades of understanding of life, attacked as if by posse with flaming brands. Of course, those of you who recall my last thread, will remember that the situation was somewhat similar, but I actually have in mind one by another user, where, while the post in question was dense and somewhat verbose, the poster was called out of appalled illiteracy a lunatic, to which a few others resounded something such 'a shame, he might have had something to say if he were more concise', as if meaningful discussion can ever be had through concision.

Well, anyway, for instance, 'What is your spirit animal?'. I chose to work in a competitive environment, and it sucks. Shall I go to school to become an engineer? [Thread filled with Psychiatric nonsense]. 'Do you avoid relationships and sex?' and 'what would you do if someone told you they liked you?' [combined view counts exceed all other threads combined]. 'I think my husband has SPD'. [Political thread]. [Quote thread]. 'Epically Schizoid Moments'. I would be hard-pressed to distinguish this forum from any other on the Internet. As a schizoid, why exactly is it that you have a dislike for other people? Is it not because of their crude, predictable behavior? And yet it is the crudest, most predictable threads, and the invitations to the basest, most self-indulgent discussion that accrue the most responses and views.


It is sad that you see these threads only as unintelligent, purposeless, whining or musings.

After all, one could say your thread is an intentionally provoking, overly judgmental post that does not belong in a forum that tries to talk about mental health issues and well-being in a productive and thoughtful way.

I think instead of complaining about other people's posts, you might benefit from learning how to connect and communicate with others so that you have better things to think about than how worthless other people's expressions are.


You do not understand what I have said, or, just as likely, did not read it with the minuteness owed to something that you wish to call into question.

You might have a point in your last paragraph; a few of your assumptions are mistaken, for instance, that I do not know how to connect and communicate in a way that the de facto society of these forums finds sufficiently modest, given that I have yet to prove my prowess through, say, the discus throw, but accepting reality for what it is and adapting to or giving it up is a good action to encourage, I am sure. The problem is not that I find the threads on here to be purposeless; I have extracted plenty of information and shared experiences in my reading; but forums are a two-way street, for reading and posting. The problem is that there is seldom the compulsion for me to post anything. I have no interest in dropping superficial information into a hat for what appears to be a professional surveyor, consoling a wife about her husband's personality, guessing what my 'spirit animal' may be for an unknown reason, entertaining others in the 'epic schizoid moments' thread, etc. All these threads are very passive experiences; that is, there are many posters willing to offer the 'what', or the information for the survey, but few who ask the 'why'. It is chiefly the responsibility of the original poster to furnish this discussion and explanation, but, by virtue of the typical brevity of his post, whether through or lack of time or, as it as has been alleged, social posturing, this is seldom done.
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