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Why do people rape?

Postby jbt117 » Wed Feb 03, 2016 11:23 pm

my girlfriend was molested by her moms boyfriend(if you want more information, i made a thread about what happened) and we recently talked about it. she wondered why someone would do something like that. any previous rapists/ abusers who are comfortable with sharing their thoughts or stories?
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Re: Why do people rape?

Postby subterfuge » Thu Feb 04, 2016 1:29 pm

I'm no expert (although I have had lots of rape fantasies like a fair amount of men), but I always hate the argument that 'it's about power...not sex''. I don't think 'power' really comes into for most men ...but mainstream media and feminist propaganda has everyone believing otherwise.

I think it's nearly always about sex. Simply they desperately want sex with a girl who they know they couldn't get. So they take it by force.

They use "power" to get sex, just like a mugger uses violence to get the other person's money or other items.. So simple, really. I dont buy into the mental gymnastics people use to argue against this simple fact. Sure, there are _some_ rapists who are largely motivated by power, but the media makes out those exceptions to be the majority.
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Re: Why do people rape?

Postby epiphany55 » Thu Feb 04, 2016 2:50 pm

There are some interesting theories on why humans rape. Of course, in the animal kingdom, rape accounts for many matings, including among chimpanzees - a close relative to humans. Therefore rape can be seen to serve some kind of sociobiological function, but of course it needn't have to be said that doesn't make it acceptable.

Some biologists consider rape an "alternative mating strategy" or a mating strategy of last resort. As subterfuge mentioned, if someone cannot get sex by consensual means, and they happen to have a higher than normal sex drive, they will be more likely to rape as a means of satisfying that drive. As we have deterrents in place for rape, I would think the sex drive of the rapist would have to be so powerful that it overrides any aversion to breaking the social contract.

But there's another layer to all this, as some rapists are further excited by the struggle and resistance to their advances. Again, there are several theories for this, but the dominance aspect of forceful sexual advances can be linked simply to producing more offspring. In the animal kingdom, the more forceful mating that occurs, the larger that animal's potential gene pool, and the greater the chances of their DNA surviving.

So while humans have (rightly) created a legal system to protect us from what is probably one of the most unpleasant things a sentient being can experience, we have to accept that we have evolved, relatively recently, from species whereby rape was probably the norm and will therefore carry many of these undesirable traits in the brain.

One of the curses of an animal possessing a heightened state of consciousness is that we constantly have to be vigilant of and safely compartmentalise these often hard wired, baser drives, and for some this is clearly a lot more difficult than others.

Add to that a culture of sexual promiscuity, and you have a very volatile and conflicted psyche to contend with.
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Re: Why do people rape?

Postby jbt117 » Thu Feb 04, 2016 9:00 pm

I think it's nearly always about sex. Simply they desperately want sex with a girl who they know they couldn't get. So they take it by force.


the way he did it seemed more malicious. commenting on her pubic hair and how what she was wearing was stupid.
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Re: Why do people rape?

Postby sprock » Sat Feb 06, 2016 6:31 pm

I have already told you in your previous thread what I think were my motivations/ justifications for having an inappropriate relationship with a 16/17-year-old and the specific abuse of sexual assault I committed within that relationship.

I think power probably was a motivating factor for the step-father rapist, but really only he could possibly know what motivated him to do something do inexcusable and horrendous.

More generally: in a massive study across Asia in which ten thousand men were interviewed, the majority of the 1/4th of the population sample who admitted to committing rape, said they did so for reasons of 'sexual entitlement' i.e. the victim was a wife/ girlfriend who they saw as "owing" them sex in some way.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-24021573

Ages ago I came across this anonymous article by a confessed repeat partner rapist that I felt was fairly illuminating, though obviously potentially very triggering:
http://www.xyonline.net/content/sex-lies-and-hetero-rape-reflections-my-sexual-coercion

I was in a long-term relationship with a woman called Jane (not her real name), and we'd been breaking up over several months. Jane and I had repeated talks about us, and I was examining my own behaviour and thinking.

I'd noticed a pattern in my sexual behaviour towards Jane. Sometimes at night in bed, I really wanted to have sex and Jane did not seem to want to. So, on some of these occasions I'd whine a bit, be grumpy or guilt-trip her a little, and sometimes she'd give in and we'd have sex. Or we'd get into bed and be lying there, and without saying a word I'd start touching Jane sexually: stroking her breasts or legs or pressing against her. In effect, I was pressuring her to go along with this and do sexual acts with me, or to be forced to say no.

I knew at the time that this behaviours weren't "good sex". I felt sleazy. I felt that I was using Jane, and I was also worried that she'd see me this way. I felt ashamed and embarassed. I was more comfortable when Jane was actively interested in sex or initiating it herself. Part of me wanted to stop the behaviours, while part of me wanted to get away with them and excuse or trivialise them.

As Jane and I broke up, she did talk about me sometimes hassling her into sex. Once she said, "Sometimes you've just used me as something to masturbate into." Jane also pointed out other non-sexual ways in which I patronised, constrained or devalued her. Looking back through my diary of the time, these various behaviours were clearly interrelated.

Naming rape

ALTHOUGH I knew that my behaviours were wrong, it was only in a men's group that I came to name them as rape.

I'd been in a men's consciousness-raising group for about a year. We'd meet for three hours every Sunday night, and every second week we'd focus on a 'political' topic: sexism, pornography, homophobia etcetera. The group was committed to anti-sexist consciousness-raising.

My relationship with Jane was one of the main things I talked about in the men's group: my efforts to change my habits of behaviour and to build a more egalitarian relationship. One night I'd been describing the patterns I've spelt out above.

"Well, that sounds like rape to me." It was one of the gay men in the men's group who said it. This naming of my behaviour as rape scared and shamed me. For me, the words "rape" and "rapist" are emotionally charged. They're heavily laden with emotional and political symbolism. I'd read some feminist writing on rape, and I'd read of the horrific experiences women undergo at the hands of men. For me to be associated with this horror was truly disturbing.

Coercion

I HAD used coercion against a woman to get sex. I hadn't held her down, physically hurt her or used a weapon. But I'd pressured her.

She hadn't felt terrified or physically injured. But she'd felt uncomfortable and used. Although I didn't recognise it at the time, I think now she probably felt ripped-off and abused.

The behaviour I've described above is rape. Rape is sex without consent, and there can't be proper consent if there is coercion or pressure.

My behaviours are part of a continuum of behaviours: unwanted touching, wolf-whistling, battering, publicly commenting on women's bodies, flashing, voyeurism, rape, emotional coercion and sexual murder. There is a vast spectrum of behaviours, ranging from the most humdrum and frequent to the most terrifying and extreme. What is common to them all is that they involve unwanted intrusions by men into women's lives.

Explain yourself

HOW can I explain these behaviours of mine? The most crucial element is that I simply had insufficient respect for Jane's right to control when, how and with whom she had sex. That is, I had not taken consent seriously enough.

I'd focused on Jane's body (as an object and an image), and not enough on Jane as a conscious person (as a human being with rights and feelings). I'd subordinated her desires and will to my own.

I didn't consciously believe any of the common myths about rape, but I'd been influenced by what is at the core of those myths: a devaluing of women's right to freely consent to sex.

My learned masculinity and my learned heterosexuality are also crucial factors in explaining my rapes. Men learn to not listen to women's voices, to focus on women's bodies and to see how far we can get.

I was really into pornography when I was fifteen and sixteen: soft-core heterosexual porn, found, stolen, bought or swapped. Porn taught me to focus on women's bodies (to objectify women), and to often see women in sexual ways (to sexualise women). Using porn may have had something to do with the behaviour I've described above.

For me to explain my pressuring Jane to have sex, I would also have to include my particular emotional relationship to her. I think that sometimes I desperately wanted sex with Jane to confirm that we were close, intimate. Sometimes it had more to do with a sexualised obsession with her. Both these patterns are common for men in heterosexual relationships.


The above is a little self-excusing and evasive perhaps (though at least it doesn't topple into victim blaming) but gives a strong example of how a perpetrator might convince themselves that their behaviour is acceptable. The vast majority of humans, even rapists and other serious criminals, want to think of themselves as 'good people' and can invent ingenious ways to excuse their inexcusable behaviour. I think a smaller proportion are sociopathic sadists and genuinely enjoy causing harm for the sake of harm because a lot of their brain that should allow them to have compassion for other human beings simply is not there or is damaged.
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Re: Why do people rape?

Postby jbt117 » Sat Feb 06, 2016 8:23 pm

I think a smaller proportion are sociopathic sadists and genuinely enjoy causing harm for the sake of harm because a lot of their brain that should allow them to have compassion for other human beings simply is not there or is damaged.


which one do you think he is?
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Re: Why do people rape?

Postby sprock » Sat Feb 06, 2016 8:33 pm

A combination of entitled and sadistic, maybe. But I honestly couldn't say... I don't know what other posters think.
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Re: Why do people rape?

Postby jbt117 » Sat Feb 06, 2016 9:04 pm

thats what i was thinking.
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Re: Why do people rape?

Postby Smiggles » Wed Feb 10, 2016 9:02 pm

Power and possession, dominance, the sensation of 'owning' someone sexually.

That being said, my sister is a rape victim and the guy was a total asshole, he even had the valour to message me and attempt to do the same to me just days later. I have 0 toleration, luckily.

Depends on the person, I guess. Rape is rape, regardless of motive. interesting topic, JBT.
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Re: Why do people rape?

Postby epiphany55 » Fri Feb 12, 2016 12:49 am

I think there's something underneath that power and domination - those two things are superficial and driven by something deeper.
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