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Postby sonovlaurin » Fri Oct 17, 2008 11:27 pm

Nope. You outlined that your wife had a number of casual flings in the range of two dozen or so. I was consistently referring to numbers that far outnumbered those of your wife. I gave you clear examples to clarify this point including sex trade workers, pedophiles, sex addicts, all of which included numbers far exceeding the numbers for your wife. So your wife is hardly a disproof. Further, I don't know that she's loyal to you at all, and if you were intellectually 'honest' you'd admit neither do you. You haven't got a clue. It is impossible for you to 'know' that she is faithful and loyal to you. So her fidelity is hardly a 'fact', it's a supposition. It is what you 'suppose'. And you can't disprove much with a supposition. Especially when the supposition that you have a loyal wife is wrong in the case of 40% of married couples.

I think, personally, you were a fool to even bring your wife into the discourse as an example of 'promiscuity turned loyal'. I think it's foolish to cite her past as an example of promiscuity. I think it's foolish to think it's a 'fact' that she's loyal - it's not a fact, it's a self-serving supposition.

Further, even if your wife qualified as a sex trade worker, at no time did I say that 'all' people who screw, say, 300 people are hardened, as your faux refutation implies. I think my language and level of specificity was perfectly appropriate for a discussion. All talk in the social sciences allows for distributions of behavior that have variations 'built in'. So when people say "Smart kids get good grades" we allow for the possibility of 'some' smart kids getting poor grades. But this in no way negates the value of our claim that 'Smart kids get good grades" because, well, most of the time they do!

You say:

And yes you claim that people who have lots of sex can get hardened.


Nope. What you have said above is called The Straw Man Argument and it's a form of crooked thinking, or deceptive argument. Here, you create an 'easy to refute' claim I never made, and then you proceed to knock it down. I did not claim that having sex many times with one partner hardens you. I consistently referred to 'number of partners' and I consistently cited number of partner figures that you fully know are no where near the figures for your wife. However, I don't know her. Maybe she had sex with hundreds of men, and if so, I'd say she's 'harder' or, perhaps if you don't like that term, more 'callous' to the feelings of people than she seems. Perhaps having sex with hundreds of people isn't a 'callous' or 'hardened' approach to intimacy in your own mind, but I think the 'hardened' adjective fits. It even fits with 'casual' sex, which carries the connotation of high 'emotional distance'.

I don't need to prove my intuition. What I needed to do was to give 'reasons for believing' that my intuition has merit. And I believe I've done so.

The rest of what you're saying is just hand waving and bravado.

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“We thought sex was free. Sex is not free. There's a price to be paid emotionally, physically, even legally. Sex isn't a casual thing. It's a huge thing.” William H. Macy
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Postby sonovlaurin » Sat Oct 18, 2008 12:49 am

The idea that promiscuity makes you 'harder' or 'callous' isn't new from me.

Psychiatrists deal with promiscuity because of the danger of STDs, unwanted pregnancy, the risk of it becoming sexual addition, or a risky impulsivity to seek out larger thrills that aren't healthy. Otherwise they wouldn't give a damn. It's not because they're religious, ffs. It's because over time, over numerous tens or hundreds of experiences later, it hardens you and makes you callous about people's feelings. More than that, it makes you callous to the sex. It's not unlike gambling and other thrill-based sports that escalate and twist. Eventually, because you have separated sex and love for so long (i.e., casual sex) it's hard to ever put them back together again, and that's what makes you kinda unsuitable for a real long term love relationship: You don't have practice and skill integrating sex with love! You're 'hardened' And a touch callous to tender feelings. And any smart potential partner will find you're not capable of the intimacy required in an intimate long term relationship.

That's my folk wisdom. If you'd like a formally written theory, then pay me.

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Postby sonovlaurin » Sat Oct 18, 2008 4:02 am

Hamo you might find this recipe edifying:

Pan Fried Crow
by Chris Thompson

Ingredients
2 eggs
seasoned bread crumbs or flour
oil or bacon grease

Preparation
Remove breast meat from as many crows as desired. Beat with meat mallet (for tenderizing). Dip pieces in beaten egg and then in bread crumbs or flour. Fry in oil in hot skillet. Bacon grease can be substituted by can smoke. Leave inside a tad pink.
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