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Re: My Boyfriend is Making Me Afraid to be Alone

Postby kelphelp » Mon Aug 26, 2013 5:33 pm

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Re: My Boyfriend is Making Me Afraid to be Alone

Postby katana » Mon Aug 26, 2013 5:43 pm

I'm not technically allowed to suggest getting in some krav maga practice - on your boyfriend, am I? :roll:
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Re: My Boyfriend is Making Me Afraid to be Alone

Postby kelphelp » Mon Aug 26, 2013 6:17 pm

ScienceAndCake wrote:
Darwinschild wrote:I think it is easy for a person, particularly a guy, who has never experienced being objectified for having those physical traits tell you that you are letting your boyfriend determine how you think.

I imagine if the situation was reversed and your petite girlfriend tells you that it's not safe for you, as a man, to go out at night because you are ...., you would dismiss her worries much more easily than now.

The "objective reality" is that there are sex differences between men and women as perpetrators and victims of crime. However, that does not mean that, as a woman, you should live your life afraid. You can be smart and cautious about your surroundings without giving up quality of life.


You're missing the point - she has become worried to the point where she's not debilitated with it. We'll ignore for a moment the fact that one constant across all western cultures is that men are many times more likely to be the victims of unprovoked violent crime than women, and we'll focus entirely on the fact that her boyfriend has instilled a worry in her.

She was not worrying about these things before and she was fine. That's because her old level of worry, namely very little at all, is actually the correct quantity of worry. Her new level of worry, which is a perpetual state of hypervigilance, is disproportionate and constitutes an illness, an anxiety disorder if we're going to get specific.

The truth is that, by and large, societies are stable. People aren't raped and attacked for no reason, any society where this was the norm would fall apart or be in a period of temporary but intense war. You don't need to go around hyper vigilant of threats, you need to go around with a reasonable comprehension of the dangers but a healthy appreciation of how unlikely they are. Her boyfriend's actions have caused her to deviate from this ideal middle ground into terror.


Hypervigilence is maladaptive. However, vigilence is not. I doubt anyone in their right mind would advocate hypervigilence.

Somehow, I highly doubt that men are more likely to be victims of rape and sexual assault than women. Are you now going to say that more women than men are perpetrators of sex crimes, too?
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Re: My Boyfriend is Making Me Afraid to be Alone

Postby ScienceAndCake » Mon Aug 26, 2013 8:37 pm

Darwinschild wrote:Somehow, I highly doubt that men are more likely to be victims of rape and sexual assault than women. Are you now going to say that more women than men are perpetrators of sex crimes, too?


ScienceAndCake wrote:We'll ignore for a moment the fact that one constant across all western cultures is that men are many times more likely to be the victims of unprovoked violent crime than women...


What a shameful attempt at making a straw-man argument. How likely did you think it was that I wouldn't notice you change "unprovoked violent crime" to "rape and sexual assault"? I have very little patience for people who deliberately engage in logical fallacies to avoid conceding points.

Darwinschild wrote:Hypervigilence is maladaptive. However, vigilence is not. I doubt anyone in their right mind would advocate hypervigilence.


You're a slimey customer aren't you? When you hear a point you can't defeat you try to secretly re-write it to one you can defeat. Did I ever say that somebody was advocating hypervigilance? No I didn't. Nor did I imply it.

Nothing annoys me more than somebody who speaks but will go to any length to avoid addressing the points they're referring to, and two clumsy strawman arguments is a shameful thing to offer to a discussion.
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Re: My Boyfriend is Making Me Afraid to be Alone

Postby masquerade » Mon Aug 26, 2013 9:44 pm

This thread is starting to become derailed. Science and Cake, comments such as "slimy customer" aren't constructive. Science & Darwin, show some respect for the OP and stop engaging in arguments on her thread. You're both actually making the same point from slightly different angles, and I think we get the point now.

Does anyone else here have any constructive advice for the OP to get the thread back on track?
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Re: My Boyfriend is Making Me Afraid to be Alone

Postby kelphelp » Mon Aug 26, 2013 10:56 pm

masquerade wrote:This thread is starting to become derailed. Science and Cake, comments such as "slimy customer" aren't constructive. Science & Darwin, show some respect for the OP and stop engaging in arguments on her thread. You're both actually making the same point from slightly different angles, and I think we get the point now.

Does anyone else here have any constructive advice for the OP to get the thread back on track?


The intention of my post was to validate OP's feelings. I think, speaking in very general terms, women do have to exercise more caution than men-- whether in the context of provoked or unprovoked crime or in a public or in a private setting. However, it is not healthy when it is at the cost of sacrificing quality of life. To say that her feelings are an indication that she cannot think for herself is, I think, bull. I think the reaction from ScienceAndCake was not only oddly taken too personally but also over-board.
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Re: My Boyfriend is Making Me Afraid to be Alone

Postby Kabuhi » Thu Aug 29, 2013 7:43 pm

The OP never did clarify how frequent her boyfriend had made these comments, but masquerade is 100% right that her boyfriend might be attempting to control her. Frequent interrogations and rebuking language are certainly overt behavioral characteristics of controlling, manipulative boyfriends. If this is what is happening, then I would tend to agree with masquerade that your boyfriend is attempting to control you. So that perspective is reasonable and I can understand it.

I just didn't want to automatically jump to the conclusion that a man expressing concern for someone is automatically an attempt at controlling that person. I just think that's a dangerous path to follow instantly assuming that any expression of concern is an attempt to control. The question I have to ask myself is: "Is your boyfriend supposed to say nothing if he thinks your well-being is in danger?". If the answer is no, then whether or not he's trying to control you really all depends on context.
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