Victim Trauma

evanessence wrote:more than that they don't have the information or maturity to make the decision.

Agreed. It's similar to a parent using physical force to restrain their two year old who wants to run in the street. The two year old isn't intellectually or emotionally mature enough to make that decision yet.

nightstrife wrote:

jack1953 wrote:However I am bright enough to see and realize a huge difference between a 7 year old and a 14 year old. Historians have determined Mary,who gave birth to Jesus was only about 13 or 14 when she did, and was engaged to Joseph at the time, which was common practice.

Historians have also determined that age of consent was very often as young as seven throughout history and across cultures. Historically, women were married at pubescent ages.

jack1953 wrote:What do you mean by forced to share their bodies????

Is it really not clear how women share their bodies with their baby? Earlier in the thread, this could have been an honest question, but considering your fundamentalist views on religion, this seems like bait.

What's this? You are now answering for others or are you attempting to 'bait' me into a spiritual debate?

jasmin wrote:Abortion is legal because no one should be forced to share their bodies with another being/person, no matter what. So what does that have to do with our topic?

Well I guess nightstrife is answering for jasmin now, so I'll play along. So women who make the choice to engage in intercourse and get pregnant are doing so by force? Does that mean that all sex is rape??

Wait....maybe nightstrife IS baiting me. Maybe he has multiple personalities and is actually both jasmin and nightstrife!

jack1953 wrote:What's this? You are now answering for others or are you attempting to 'bait' me into a spiritual debate?

Nope, couldn't care less about your religion. I still think you're overcompensating for something bad you felt guilty about ten+ years into the past, but then, you know you're forgiven, so no big deal.

jack1953 wrote:Well I guess nightstrife is answering for jasmin now, so I'll play along. So women who make the choice to engage in intercourse and get pregnant are doing so by force? Does that mean that all sex is rape??

Wait....maybe nightstrife IS baiting me. Maybe he has multiple personalities and is actually both jasmin and nightstrife!

Nope, not even remotely close. Your confusion about a woman sharing her body with her child just seemed so blatantly obvious, I figured anybody could answer. I'll butt out if I'm not contributing.

Also, now I see you're manipulating statements to try to build up a straw man. You started off so well, and now you've gone completely off topic and are resorting to transparent manipulation tactics. If you really have a point, and it's at all relevant to this thread, make it. If not, why not start a new thread? Glad to participate in that too, and I might even try to throttle back the condescension I think we've all said pretty much everything there is to say about the potential harm to the 14 y/o girl, and before, out of nowhere you started telling random strangers how much Jesus loves them, I think I was in agreement with you.

No, women aren't forced into all sex, but they'd be forced to share their body with their child if they didn't want to have it and abortion was not possible or legal. I don't like abortion either and I hope some day we'll be so advanced that it won't exist any more, but I guess sometimes it might be the better option.
You don't have to keep out of the conversation, nightstrife (I know we're not the same person too, by the way).

nightstrife wrote:

jack1953 wrote:What's this? You are now answering for others or are you attempting to 'bait' me into a spiritual debate?

Nope, couldn't care less about your religion. I still think you're overcompensating for something bad you felt guilty about ten+ years into the past, but then, you know you're forgiven, so no big deal.

jack1953 wrote:Well I guess nightstrife is answering for jasmin now, so I'll play along. So women who make the choice to engage in intercourse and get pregnant are doing so by force? Does that mean that all sex is rape??

Wait....maybe nightstrife IS baiting me. Maybe he has multiple personalities and is actually both jasmin and nightstrife!

Nope, not even remotely close. Your confusion about a woman sharing her body with her child just seemed so blatantly obvious, I figured anybody could answer. I'll butt out if I'm not contributing.

Also, now I see you're manipulating statements to try to build up a straw man. You started off so well, and now you've gone completely off topic and are resorting to transparent manipulation tactics. If you really have a point, and it's at all relevant to this thread, make it. If not, why not start a new thread? Glad to participate in that too, and I might even try to throttle back the condescension I think we've all said pretty much everything there is to say about the potential harm to the 14 y/o girl, and before, out of nowhere you started telling random strangers how much Jesus loves them, I think I was in agreement with you.

All kidding aside, are you a counselor or a therapist by trade? You seem to think you know my intent and background and have it all figured out. I'm not confused about a woman carrying a child, I'm just concerned for the innocence of the child. The child has no say so regardless of the circumstance, and you can slant and slice it anyway you want, but abortion is murder. We, as a society, really have a lot of things turned upside down.

On one hand we say that a woman has a right to decide what to do with the baby she is carrying because her body belongs to her and if she decides she does not want to carry (share) it with that baby the she has the right to kill it.
On the other hand we become outraged at a guy like Michael Vick, who also makes a decision about how he wants to handle HIS property, his dogs.

I think I'll part ways here since I've manipulated things and steered this thread way off course. Jesus truly does love both of you and so do I!

Jack