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Postby kooz » Mon Jul 16, 2007 2:50 am

linda1656 wrote:Hi Kooz;

it's Linda from Avpd. i have just posted on this board to Plickety and saw you here.

i would like to say that I agree with what Puma has said, although going it alone is tough. There is a Buddist story that i have recounted here before but i will say it again because i love it!

'There was a wise and respected monk who lived by the edge of the river. The Emporer had many special and priceless things and he desired the presence of the monk at the palace.

He sent his servants with promises of gifts and solicitations of regard, instructing the servants to bring the monk to him so his wisdom would be his alone.

The Buddist Monk replied 'I would rather sit here among the reeds and be a free man than live trapped in a gilded cage.'


Linda! hey, awesome to hear from you. Your words really rang true with tremendous relevance. The aphorism opened my eyes, too. My current situation DOES feel like a gilded cage. I have been trying to determine what has been keeping me here, away from the "reeds of CA":) Despite my distaste of my current situation, something (and I believe finances operates as my main cause of stagnantion) keeps me pinned here and prevents me from just picking up and driving to CA. I think I fear getting there and then not being able to acquire ANY financial resources and being put into a very unpleasant spot. I prefer freedom in the reeds to a gilded cage anyday, but if I can't survive "in the reeds" on my own, then do I have a choice?

My dilemma revolves around the fact that at the current moment, WHEREVER I reside -- chicago, la, the gilded cage, the reeds, etc. -- my only source of financial support appears to come from my parents; I have no way of knowing if they will continually financially provide for me if I leave chicago, and, most importantly, if (given the daunting situation that they completely cease all financial help) I must fully financially support myself, I lack the experience to believe that I can do that.

There, the essence of my dilemma, surmised. I really, really liked your mini fable. That reminded me of a star trek episode where some rare collector tries to capture the robot, Data, imprisoning him. Both stories rang true to my situation.

But right now, driving 2000 miles west -- while desireable and fun -- doesn't seem to be a long-term solution. What do I do when there? How will I survive? How will I prevent myself from hitting a financial, professional, and/or emotional "dead end" when there?

In other words, if where I currently emotionally am located feels like a dead end, then how do I know moving away will be less of a dead end?

Thanks a ton for "finding me" in this thread, btw!:)
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Postby puma » Mon Jul 16, 2007 3:24 am

kooz wrote:
But right now, driving 2000 miles west -- while desireable and fun -- doesn't seem to be a long-term solution. What do I do when there? How will I survive? How will I prevent myself from hitting a financial, professional, and/or emotional "dead end" when there?

In other words, if where I currently emotionally am located feels like a dead end, then how do I know moving away will be less of a dead end?


What to do in California:
Get a job at Walmart, or some such place. They are always hiring.
Apply for food stamps.
If you can read, write, and do basic math you are employable. The first job you get is for survival, while you keep your eyes open for something better down the road.
Anything has got to be better than festering in your current rut. Go for the reeds, not the rut!
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Postby LifeSong » Tue Jul 17, 2007 12:26 am

Kooz,

By any chance, did your mother go to Columbia?

I absolutely agree with Puma. You will not be able to cut any of the myriad of ties that you have to your parents (and I believe that the ties run very deeply and in very unhealthy ways) without establishing your independence financially. Have you ever worked? Have you ever paid your own bills, and had some experience of being financially responsible for yourself?

Even if CA is not a possibility right now, do you currently have a job? If not, why not? Even if a job would not support you totally, getting a job right now, even where you are, would be a start of gaining the confidence you'll need to break away from your parents.
Take any job. ANY job. You need to start with practical, do-able steps towards making your own way in life (and not just thinking about it).

I hope I do not sound harsh. I came from a background very much like yours and I well understand - WELL understand - what it is like to find yourself chronologically an adult but on all other ways still a child. For me, my choice was to do just as Puma has said.
I got out, got away, and started struggling (and I do mean struggling) to build my own self from the ground floor up.

I am curious... and pardon me if I am being intrusive... but, in going to the various psych... were you ever diagnosed with anything? Ignore this question if it offends you.

I hope you keep writing. I believe I can relate to your circumstances more closely than you may know.

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Postby kooz » Tue Jul 17, 2007 9:57 pm

Puma,
Again, your words sincerely created a lucid, reassuring, and encouraging connection to my current state.
I feel that each paragraph you wrote will unlock in the future (or in the present) some gem of encouragement that I'll need. Thanks! I probably could spend quite a long time responding to each of your paragraphs because of their level of resonation and sincerity. However, I"ll try to be succinct as possible.


As you become an independant adult making your own way in the world, your parents will recede into the background; leave the stage, so to speak, curtain call.
You don't have to fear becoming just like them. Your struggle to gain understanding and perspective pretty much guarantees that.

I liked the image of "the curtain call" with parents receding into the background. Shakespeare said all the world's a stage. Hopefully from now on, my parents won't even appear in the cast:). Secondly, while I think making an active, conscious effort to disassemble the " tiny link in this vast cultural and physical chain" to ensure that I do not live up to resembling the mold of my parents will, indeed, (as you suggested) almost fully ensure that I won't be like my parents (fostering an intolerant familial ambience). However, some effort -- some investment of time -- into shattering and dissolving the cycle of suffering (as Thich Nhat Hanh would call it) to truly guarantee that I don't resemble my parents, would focus my actions because I'd have more confidence in being a compassionate, tolerant person. Despite my eagarness to cultivate those compassionate, tolerant qualities, that endeavor will always be ongoing and will arise further down the road, though. I currently truly want to focus on getting a job -- any job (as you put it).


Severing all financial ties cannot be stressed enough. In order to be free, you have got to be independant. This may be scary, but it can also be exhilarating! The resentment and self doubt will fade rapidly as you face real world challenges out on your own.


I totally agree with you here. In a way, getting financial independence should be "easier" than emotional independence, so, in that sense, in my current evolution towards independence, I'm moving well over the "hard part". great. However, your sincerity with financial independence having an integral part in overall independence solidifies the necessity of financial independence. All the work I've done to acquire emotional independence and solidifying my own beliefs -- all of that work -- cannot have its full positive impact on my life, until I get "the whole package", the financial independence along with it. Once I acquire that, once I start being able to financially support myself, I feel a lot of the emotional awareness and belief system work I've done will really spring forth and become activated as tremendous source of confidence because, after all, what better way to feel inspired than reflecting on your own emotional growth?;)

Secondly, your analysis of the emotions I most likely currently experience -- resentment and doubt -- has profound accuracy. Those two debilitating emotions enact upon me as my greatest limitations and restrictions. Resentment causes me to cling to problems with parents from my childhood and doubt obfuscates and causes my forward movement to falter. In other words, resentment pins me to the past and doubt sets up 'roadblocks" preventing me from progressing forward into the futre. I believe (and sincerely hope) that, as you suggested, both of those obstacles will fade as I face real-world challenges, and they must dissolve, or else I'll always frozen in an unpleasant past. Many authors (Carlos Castaneda for one) commented that it's good to connect with your past, but okay to throw out your personal history. I want to make sure I never get stuck in the past because of resentment and/or doubt. Fortunately, I already feel this discussion's propulsion into the future!;)

Okay, now specifically about the METHOD of severing financial ties with my parents.
While driving 2000 miles to california would be tremendously (of this, I'm about 90% certain) emotionally and spiritually fulfilling and nourishing, I do not, as of yet, have the confidence to say that such a voyage will be as financial meriting.
Here's why:
I currently live on an extremely tight budget. Every gas dollar, every grocery item, every purchase I spend must be accounted for (this is great for budgetting experience, but I want to ensure my financial "bookkeeping" doesn't become OCD!;). Taking the 2000-mile road trip to CA would just gnaw a tremendous hole in my finances. I truly do feel that I'd be in a much better emotional and spiritual place, much closer to the clarifying "reeds" in CA, and out of my current emotional rut (rut definitely accurately defines my current emotional predicament), and while emotional and spiritual fulfillment prove to be tremendously important, I don't see how my financial resources will differ in CA from chicago. I feel that building some kind of financial base here, first, would be wise.

Now for my saga of trying to find work in the past:
I have a 4-year college BA, so I want to try to use that. I've tried to start my own web design business, my own life coaching business, publish 4 e-books, as well as seriously pursue a career in acting. I used to apply (about a dozen applications or so a week) to numerous web design, tech, jobs through the internet, but having reached very little success with that, have stopped doing that. I've taken my professional target down a notch and have applied to grocery stores, and restaurants, and radio shacks, and cell phone stores -- you name it. No avail. The purpose here, in no way, aims to paint a "defeated" picture of my vocational pursuits. Rather, I am just illustrating the serious efforts and measures I've taken to get work. The only conclusion I could make of all these seriously whole-hearted attempts at landing a job was that I performed some form of subconscious self-sabotage. I'll detail this self-sabotage in the other message.

It is very common to abhor any resemblance to one's parents when one is separating from the nest and redefining his own identity, even if the parents in question were good ones. In some ways we will have traits of our parents. But they are not our only parents. What I mean is, your parents have traits of their parents, who had traits of their parents, an exponential fanning out into all of humanity. All of humanity is our parents. The two small individuals whom we call mother and father are but a tiny link in this vast cultural and physical chain.
Two things come of this:
1. We can learn from their mistakes
2. We can begin to forgive them their weaknesses. Your father's tears moved you even though at the time you chose not to act. Trying to give comfort whilst embroiled in a rage is impossible.
To gain perspective, look at your parents as though you were a historian. They didn't just spring out of the earth from nothing; there is a history there which might shed light on why they are the way the are. A frightened little girl grew up to be a control freak; why did she have to hide under that table in the first place?
See, you are already on the road to having greater insight, and eventually compassion, for these weak, damaged souls.



Your final sentence there really struck an emotional chord of meaningful resonation for two reasons:
1. I not only had to bury my true perceptions of my parents from them and the outside world, but I had to conceal my genuine perceptions of my parents from MYSELF. In other words, I felt, even thinking that my parents were weak, damaged souls (even though that surmises my precise description of them!) would get me in trouble with them.
2. I never had someone "from the outside" say exactly, with incredible precision, say directly what I feel towards my parents.

Both of those reasons provide tremendous confidence in my own perceptive ability and beliefs. For such a long time, I had to in a sense let the desires of my parents' image (namely their desire to be good and not problematic parents) over-write my authentic inrepretation of what I thought of them. So you provided an nourishing "external anchor" for something I've felt, (but never had any way to latch onto) for a long time: the weakened and damaged state of my parents. That was a HUGE elephant in the room whenever I conversed with them and I spent numerous, painful, and unsucessful (and now I realize how much of a waste of time this was) trying to "heal them". They naturally took incredible offense. They exist as such weak and damaged souls namely because their only interest is covering up their wounds and "looking fixed", rather than actual healing. As I mentioned before, I value greatly cultivating an ability to have tolerant an environment that actually heals instead of making thins "look" healed.

But moving on, thanks for recognizing that the sensation of compassion and rage can nearly never occurr simultaneously. I was trying to feel those mutually exclusive emotions, but you, again, have astuteness in the human emotional capacity -- I shouldn't demand so much of myself.

Your suggestion to examine (when I have time) at my childhood and my parents as historian or better yet, an archaeologist generated a very rewarding sense of calm. Because history, archaeology, etc. fulfill academic and intellectual means and the solidity and concreteness of something very intellectual applied to the confusing and seemingly intangible emotional situations sounds like a recipe for success. But specifically about my mother. I assume she hid under the table because 1)of nervousness at social gatherings or 2)fear from her older brothers, who, to say the least, played the role of rambunctious pranksters. Their impact on my mom seems innocuous but it could play a small part as to why she aimed to manufacture such an overbearing and dominating and controlling "bubble of control" around the housefhold. Boy does it feel exciting to get out of that!:)
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Postby kooz » Tue Jul 17, 2007 10:09 pm

LifeSong wrote:Kooz,

By any chance, did your mother go to Columbia?



Yes she did attend columbia. How is that relevant?

Secondly you wrote (which, honestly, doesn't put things off to a good start, here)

Even if CA is not a possibility right now, do you currently have a job? If not, why not? Even if a job would not support you totally, getting a job right now, even where you are, would be a start of gaining the confidence you'll need to break away from your parents.
Take any job. ANY job. You need to start with practical, do-able steps towards making your own way in life (and not just thinking about it).


I am curious... and pardon me if I am being intrusive... but, in going to the various psych... were you ever diagnosed with anything? Ignore this question if it offends you.



Lifesong, I assume your actions are aimed at helping not hurting, so excuse me for being blunt and villifying, but are you a blithering idiot? Of COURSE that offends me. If you had read my other posts, you'd see that I questioned the existence of MBPS in my parents because they took me to so many doctors and shrinks to try to have me diagnosed with allergies, with anxiety disorders, with water consumption, with all types of problems they tried to implant on me. In short, I grew up with two "caretakers" (bit of a misnomer in my case) who tried to make me feel as though I had a disorder or a condition that needed to be treated. So asking me "do I have any disorders" could be equated to (although this most likely is an enormous stretch) shouting "air raid" to a PTSD war vet (well, okay, definitely not that extreme, but the line of thinking, although exaggerated, has similarities).

Most importantly, now that the question once again, has popped up onto the table, what motivated you to inquire? What assumptions do you have about my psychological state? What words or phrases did I use that makes you "itch" to just implant some disorder onto me? You have seriously aroused MY curiosity, now, and I truly have an interest in what disorder you think I may have. Trust me, I've been labelled in myriad ways so I while I certainly do doubt its legitimacy, I doubt your "diagnosis" (I find the very word repulsive) will be offensive. Off the record, I've been diagnosed with many types of disorders all strangely enough quite different diagnoses from the different doctors my parents forced me to go see. Some labelled me with different disorders, new disorders, some said I had no problems at all. The inconsistency of diagnosis gives heed to the inherent absurdity of any diagnosis at all. If you assume that I currently feel hurt and confused from a disruptive childhood, and uncertain about making it on my own financially, I can assure you, the accuracy of such a "diagnosis" would feel right on. However, I can confidently say that anything else you'd want to "diagnose me with" would most likely be an insensitive projection of your own problems onto me. Just because we discuss on a psych board, doesn't mean some clever guy who thinks he has a competency with the DSM should waltz in and start psychiatrically labelling people.

Finally, the sole reason why the effective and clarifying dialogue with Puma produced so much positive emotional momentum revolved around the fact that questions of "disorders" don't't exist, and the dialogue immediately transitioned to immediate, possible solutions.


Even if CA is not a possibility right now, do you currently have a job? If not, why not? Even if a job would not support you totally, getting a job right now, even where you are, would be a start of gaining the confidence you'll need to break away from your parents.
Take any job. ANY job. You need to start with practical, do-able steps towards making your own way in life (and not just thinking about it).


Okay, here, we've ceased to lock horns and I totally agree with you. I feel I've exhausted steps to get a job, but am no way giving up. I totally agree and understand how much of an integral part financial independence is to overall confidence and total indendence. I think my entire relationship with the world will change once I stop living out of my parents pocket. As ridiculous as it sounds, though, it IS very scary because I have never NOT done that! I've worked at a bakery and hosted in a restaurant and had a few sparse web design jobs but have never come close to financially supporting myself so this feels like daunting, but exciting, undeniably exciting, new territory.

I wrote in the other post
Now for my saga of trying to find work in the past:
I have a 4-year college BA, so I want to try to use that. I've tried to start my own web design business, my own life coaching business, publish 4 e-books, as well as seriously pursue a career in acting. I used to apply (about a dozen applications or so a week) to numerous web design, tech, jobs through the internet, but having reached very little success with that, have stopped doing that. I've taken my professional target down a notch and have applied to grocery stores, and restaurants, and radio shacks, and cell phone stores -- you name it. No avail. The purpose here, in no way, aims to paint a "defeated" picture of my vocational pursuits. Rather, I am just illustrating the serious efforts and measures I've taken to get work. The only conclusion I could make of all these seriously whole-hearted attempts at landing a job was that I performed some form of subconscious self-sabotage. I'll detail this self-sabotage in the other message.

I hope I do not sound harsh. I came from a background very much like yours and I well understand - WELL understand - what it is like to find yourself chronologically an adult but on all other ways still a child. For me, my choice was to do just as Puma has said.
I got out, got away, and started struggling (and I do mean struggling) to build my own self from the ground floor up.


Sorry if I was extremely harsh earlier in the message about asking about the diagnoses. I have a severe, possibly over-reactive (although somewhat of my reaction is meritted given my upbringing) to the implication of a disorder. I must have "skimmed over" and missed the above quote and, thus, missed our commonalities. Congrats on breaking free. Struggling for financial independence, really, has been ongoing for the past 6 years or so. Obviously, I had school ongoing during the time, but really putting the gas on getting a job -- any job -- is nothing new. Again, my goal lies not in painting a self-defeating picture, but just to reiterate what I have tried. I'll just continue to try to do that though. Yes, the chronological adulthood but the other ways (definitely financial, and possibly a bit spiritual) feeling very childlike produces simultaneously a refreshing and perplexing situation!

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Postby kooz » Tue Jul 17, 2007 11:10 pm

I have decided to put an enormous amount of energy into shutting down those possible blockages (those forms of self-sabotage) towards financial independence. Additionally, I've ceased (about a year ago, really) to have high vocational expectations. I'd feel overjoyed to land a job in a place as temporarilily remedial as Walmart. I HAVE applied to radio shacks, whole foods, grocery stores, restaurants, numerous web design companies, coaching businesses, Apple store, microsoft,IT positions at small firms, seven talent agency mailrooms, bakeries, clothing stores, etc. the list goes on. I've varied my appearance (interview clothes and the like) during these attempts, as well, trying to find the best "formula", but have discovered (see paragraph below), that atleast for me, such a formula for finding professional work certainly does not exist! Because of my lack of welcoming feedback in those areas, I've been forced to think that I don't professionally belong in those environments or haven't had a good approach (could you conclude anything else?)

But all the jobs that I have landed in the past, take the bakery I worked at, for example, I landed in the most unusual circumstances. I had just finished a bike ride and asked a person who looked like a customer, if the bakery was hiring. Then, in my sweaty bike clothes (the epitome of what you're NOT supposed to wear to a typical interview, right!:), I discovered I was talking with the owner, and she hired me! I stumbled onto the other professions -- restaurant hosting and web design -- through similar idiosynratic methods. So, unfortunately, I do not have a method for getting a job; it HAS happened, but I in no way,do I understand HOW I got previous work and therefore, feel a bit perplexed about how to vocationally proceed as of now. Again, my goal here does not center on trying to paint a hopeless picture for myself, but, rather, trying to illustrate what I have tried.

How do you apply for food stamps?

Given my 4-year BA, book writings, minimal acting experience, and extensive web design experience, working in a place like walmart does not hold my personal preference, but I DO have a HUGE interest in working in a place like walmart, any place where I can earn a paycheck. Now, you just seemed to slap that down (just work at walmart) like the suggestion can be instantly and successfully acted upon. To my experience that does not feel like the case. You have to apply online to those places. Should I just continually resubmit my applications?

If you can read, write, and do basic math you are employable. The first job you get is for survival, while you keep your eyes open for something better down the road.


Again, while I stand fervently convinced that your advice operates from a place of genuine compassion and tolerance, the above quote sounds like an implication of having not tried to get a job. Getting a job now will not be my first job (I've held about 4 other salary-earning jobs), but it will be the first time I'm trying to be fully financially independent. So, I've gone to great lengths to describe my previous professional and vocational-hunting experience to paint a more clear picture of what I have tried. But those attempts certainly do not curtail what I am still willing to try: and working at places like warlmart definitely feel more welcoming than not earning any income. And I definitely have an exceptional capacity at reading, writing, and arithmetic!

So, I fully concur with your suggestion to go for the reeds and not the rut, but it still seems that for now, holding my nose "in the rut" and getting some financial independence will enable me to truly drop anchor in the reeds in the future. I fear going to CA and not "making it" and then having to return (but, I guess, I've done that already in sense:(). I'd much rather forge ahead financially as of now, but certainly aim for the reeds. Immediately after he graduated from school my father put all of his energies into finances. While prudent, he never ceased doing that. Now, he compulsively checks his finances and neglects his emotions. I certainly want to and need to channel a lot of energy towards finances but sincerely fear having financial success as something that may severe emotional well-being. Obviously financial success and emotional well-being (while not simultaneously existent in my father) certainly can mutually exist in a person, so dissolving that belief will dissolve obstacles for me as well. In hindsight, the fear of being consumed by finances and becoming emotionally hollow like my father, I think creates my biggest obstacle to getting a job. However, like you said, my cognitive awareness and goal for emotional clarity shuns the deterioration of emotional well-being, so I shouldn't worry about that and can probably safely commit a lot of energy to finances without it hindering my emotional livelihood.

Additionally, after looking for work for such a long time, the ease of actually having a job should energize your level of clarity on all levels! "Any decent job serves the purpose of financial survival": keeping that in the back of my mind should prevent me from subconsciously engaging in self-sabotage, as well.
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Postby kooz » Tue Jul 17, 2007 11:11 pm

Okay, some people have suggested educational professional pursuits (masters degrees, in other words). This feels very problematic on 5 levels:
1)I don't feel comfortable talking with my parents about career goals (or much anything) because enjoy creating problems for me. While their advice may be genuine; their motives in helping me seem questionable.

2)College was traumatizingly frustrating for me. I wanted to be talking the entire class, sharing ideas, but was forced to sit feeling "electrified" by teachers and the like when I had all these ideas but had to "give the teacher the floor" and "pretend like I was learning". Simply because I cound't stand the classes, I graduated quickly, in three years. This is ironic, because I LOVE learning, but the typical learning environment is something in which I have an atrocious incompatibility.

3)I've recieved probably hundreds of inputs and vocational suggestions ranging from "you should be a philosophy professor" to "you should work in a bakery" to "you should be published". While they are mostly all very encouraging and complimentary, they don't really help me pick out a professional pursuit because of their variation. Plus, I'm much more interested in helping out someone else provide a professional field of their interest. When will I ever get to do that? How can I not always be the subject of "what do you want to do with your life?" discussions?

4)This one is most disturbing. If getting a masters is my best next step (I'm not certain that it is), then brainstorming ideas with parents won't really provide new insights.

5)I love learning and would LOVE the opportunity to share knowledge and insights of which I am excited about (duh! That's what I'm trying to do with my books!), but going back to school would be absorbing knowledge, not sharing it, and I am always doing the former, and want to do more of the latter.

On the plus side, unless I win the lottery or discover out out of the blue how to earn a solid income, I'll eventually want to upgrade my professional life down the road to something more meaningful, and a way to do that might be a masters or Phd in psychology, psychophysics, Gestalt, computational neuroscience, neuroscience, social work, physical fitness, acting, and/or exdercise physiology. While great brainstorming, my present goal sitll remains financial independence. The above insights sound more like future improvements onto a career.
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Postby puma » Wed Jul 18, 2007 3:52 am

Hi, kooz,
A couple of links concerning job searches.
http://promotions.monster.com/accountke ... |732321619
http://topten.org/public/AB/AB8.html
And one can always join the military. I know there is a war on, and nobody wants to get sent to the Middle East, but the military does offer opportunities worth looking into, and the problem of room and board is solved.
I have some young relatives in the Air Force, and they have done well as plumbers and mechanics; the military has a huge support staff. With your abilities you would be a most desirable recruit, being as you are computer literate.
Something to consider, anyway.
Enlisting would probably blow your parents out of the water, too! :lol:
edit: how to apply for food stamps: go to your county welfare department with i.d., proof of income or lack thereof, proof of residency in the county you are applying in.
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Postby LifeSong » Wed Jul 18, 2007 4:17 am

Kooz,

I surely did not wish to upset or offend you . Only wanted to see if I could help.
I have no credentials with which to diagnose another. I shouldn't have asked the question and I withdraw it.
I'm just a person who was once sorta where you are. And I found a way to get away, get a life, and get happy.
Have a few degrees, a couple graduate. Paid my own way thru college.
I'm also a successful businesswoman, and have a pretty great track record for earning money and investing my money. Actually, I'm doing quite well financially at this stage in my life. But, I started at WalMart (or the equivalent), and I started with a few more strikes against me than perhaps you have.
Am a mother of three kids; one who is launched and successful, one who is 'launching' having completed her first year of college, and one who is in his senior year of high school. All my kids are pretty happy, healthy and building their own lives for real. I don't just talk about how to raise kids; I actually can demonstrate some knowledge and experience in doing so well.
Just thought I'd try to share some practical, real-life suggestions to help you, Kooz.
Again, sorry for the upset.

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Postby kooz » Wed Jul 18, 2007 4:48 am

puma wrote:Hi, kooz,
A couple of links concerning job searches.
http://promotions.monster.com/accountke ... |732321619
http://topten.org/public/AB/AB8.html
And one can always join the military. I know there is a war on, and nobody wants to get sent to the Middle East, but the military does offer opportunities worth looking into, and the problem of room and board is solved.
I have some young relatives in the Air Force, and they have done well as plumbers and mechanics; the military has a huge support staff. With your abilities you would be a most desirable recruit, being as you are computer literate.
Something to consider, anyway.
Enlisting would probably blow your parents out of the water, too! :lol:
edit: how to apply for food stamps: go to your county welfare department with i.d., proof of income or lack thereof, proof of residency in the county you are applying in.


Hey puma,
Thanks a lot for those links. I've investigated monster trak but I'll give that a go again.

Fighting in (another:) war does not really hold my interest; medical opportunities might be interesting, but unless it dosn't involve fighting in a war, I'd have to pretty much exclude military.On the other hand it would TOTALLY COMPLETELY blow my parents out of the water!javascript:emoticon(':D') But it if I did look into that it would have to be in computer science or some related area (something that didn't involve killing other people!). The air force/navy certainly would be more appealing (because of its tech focus) than the military. I did apply to the peace corp awhile back, which still holds a lot of interest, though.

Thanks for that FoodStamps 101. I didn't know about that. Then you can use those foodstamps at certain grocery stores or in the welfare grocer store or something? Thanks. I'll look into that! Really appreciate it!
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