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Passive-aggressive PD.. is this because its been removed from the DSM & ICD?

I'm pretty sure its a specific issue that probably doesn't come on its own but I guess the DSM decided it was no longer going to be a PD, so everyone who previously had it must be cured, lol.

That did NOT happen. There are plenty of them still running around. LOL

13cmk wrote:That did NOT happen. There are plenty of them still running around. LOL

I don't think it should have been removed.

Also, I think this disorder is more complex than people think it sounds. I reckon it was removed because a whole load of PDed people can be passive-aggressive as part of their PD, but I don't think having this PD is just about "being passive-aggressive" in interpersonal/emotional ways for the reasons most people are, which is something that confuses a lot of people and would make sense of why they took it out, but I suggest they were wrong.

While its likely to be "comorbid" with other PDs I think its not the same at all as deliberate acts of passive-aggression because of e.g. having a cluster B disorder and feeling emotionally worked up at a partner and/or splitting/devaluing them, or having a disorder involving low self-esteem and as a result feeling resentment. I think its a very specific issue in itself and not always just behaviour that's the result of a different underlying issue.

I think it can be a learned communication style. No PD necessary.

Replace it with honesty an assertiveness.

13cmk wrote:I think it can be a learned communication style. No PD necessary.

Replace it with honesty an assertiveness.

What my post was insinuating was that it isn't always just that, and also doesn't have to be the person's communication style. "Passive aggressive behaviour" is a way of interacting with other people. An ingrained issue with passive aggressive response to integrating with life isn't just a communication style (or doesn't even necessarily include) a (verbal-nonverbal) language communication style at all. - or maybe it does tend to, (idk). but it certainly isn't a communication style on its own.

Your misunderstanding of my post pisses me off. If a person cannot see or access their own reasons for an action and cannot perceive the action as it is, they cannot simply replace their behaviour with anything else in any simplistic sense. e.g. if a person finds them self unable to pick up the phone most of the time or work as a result of the above issues. It would be like telling a person with BPD to "pull them self together and stop being so emotional" or telling a psychopath to "shut up and empathize", or a Narcissist to "quit it and have some self esteem". In the long run, yes there's a need to replace behaviour, but if it was that simple, any reasonably intelligent person would have already done it instead of even having enough understanding to identify exactly what is going on taking years.

I see. Sorry I misinterpreted what you said.

So to clarify, You think it IS part of PDs and it is harder to correct?


If that is your point, I would agree.

I think it could count as a PD in its own right.

though a person could also have similar issues in other PDs or traits of it alongside/secondary to another PD.

OK.

Why does it say on your profile that you are no longer here?

Also missing are Sadistic PD, Self-defeating (Masochistic) PD, and Depressive PD.

The layout of the subforums is a bit wonky too. Personally, I'd like to see less focus on the chosen 6 PDs and more on the underlying behaviours and defence mechanisms, but I assume the site attracts readers/members by using the diagnostic labels.

katana wrote:Also, I think this disorder is more complex than people think it sounds. I reckon it was removed because a whole load of PDed people can be passive-aggressive as part of their PD, but I don't think having this PD is just about "being passive-aggressive" in interpersonal/emotional ways for the reasons most people are, which is something that confuses a lot of people and would make sense of why they took it out, but I suggest they were wrong.

It seems like a valid construct to me. I definitely relate to some of the traits. I do not express anger or disagreement directly, but passively. I am very agreeable on the outside but a sh*t on the inside. So there is a tension between my compliance and resentment.

I suspect the DSM has not got a good handle on the PDs yet. At least the board seemed to recognise that by proposing a new diagnostic system for the latest edition. Maybe it’ll be improved in the years to come.

13cmk wrote:OK.

Why does it say on your profile that you are no longer here?

Why, are you wondering if its passive-aggressive ?

Platypus wrote:It seems like a valid construct to me. I definitely relate to some of the traits. I do not express anger or disagreement directly, but passively. I am very agreeable on the outside but a sh*t on the inside. So there is a tension between my compliance and resentment.

I also fake compliance much of the time in relation to a lot of things, this on its own isn't necessarily diagnostic so much as its manipulative but it sets good ground to make this kind of issue worse. plus other deeply rooted issues not just perspective.

It also explains why attempting to "force my way through and challenge the issues by exposure" actually ingrains them more deeply instead of "helping me realise its not that bad". So much for ######6 counsellors saying "but stress is just another word for anxiety.."

When I read the descriptor for this PD on its own I look like a bit of an anomaly but one that fits perfectly when you take into account "comorbidity".

I suspect the DSM has not got a good handle on the PDs yet. At least the board seemed to recognise that by proposing a new diagnostic system for the latest edition. Maybe it’ll be improved in the years to come.

And for now I'm stuck with "false dx + zyz" instead of "NOS + zyz" which sucks when it comes to treatment or just trying to communicate (LOL).