Child beauty pageants

tlkproxy wrote:But what do you mean by innocence though?

Good question. I meant it in a vague, generalised way, but I guess it comes down to being oblivious of sex and sexuality.

tlkproxy wrote: I'd prefer them to look the way they are but be sexually aware, i.e. not 'innocent' in that sense.

I hadn't considered that, but of course it makes sense. Perhaps it's little different to how some heterosexual men prefer the fantasy of the naive virgin, and others prefer the lusty housewife.

tlkproxy wrote:Does that phrase suggest that the archetype of perfect human love is inherently mutually destructive?

I'm certainly no expert at love, but I think perfect human love is meant to be nurturing not destroying. But it does seem that most attempts at love end up in destruction.

tlkproxy wrote:Also, "paedophilic molestation is the easiest to understand" despite the pedophillic attraction being the most difficult thing for people to understand.

Is that true? I wouldn't have thought that paedophilic attraction is so difficult to understand, but rather that people are unwilling to understand it. Maybe that is rather presumptuous of me.

What I did notice at the mall pageant is it made these little girls heads look like 19, 20 years old, reading this thread has made me think that it creates a illusion that some might take it as more of a justification in sexually abusing these children.
I am not attracted to children, and I am no expert, but I think it puts the children at risk dressing them up like this. If it were my daughter I would not allow her in a pageant at all. Putting kids out there like that exposes them to those that might take advantage of them.

This is me just thinking aloud...inviting others to disagree or share their own ideas. No offence is intended, so let me know if you have a problem with anything I've written.

JeffreyA wrote:I am not attracted to children, and I am no expert, but I think it puts the children at risk dressing them up like this. If it were my daughter I would not allow her in a pageant at all. Putting kids out there like that exposes them to those that might take advantage of them.

It's an interesting question. I wouldn't have thought that kids dressed-up for beauty pageants are more at risk of sexual abuse. But maybe others have different opinions.

I suppose the question could be asked to those here with paedophilia: Do you think children look more attractive or desirable when they are dressed-up for a pageant?

I wonder if it's all a matter of personal opinion/preference? I prefer the look of all people (men, women and children), if they are more 'au naturel' rather than tarted-up.

But then children in beauty pageants tend to look exploited imho. So maybe for some people, it's easier to fantasise about them being exploited/abused further, than it would be to imagine the same thing happening to a more 'innocent' child e.g. a grubby kid you see running around the park.

Could it be a bit like the trashy woman stereotype? You know the kind of women that are considered "sluts"? They're eternally popular in men's magazines, perhaps because a man can think the woman's already had so much done to her by others that he can get away with more. That by virtue of her trashy or 'exploited' image, she will automatically be more adventurous or accommodating to his desires.

Platypus wrote:I suppose the question could be asked to those here with paedophilia: Do you think children look more attractive or desirable when they are dressed-up for a pageant?

I'm not attracted to girls really so it might be different because there isn't a lot of boy pageants, but I am more attracted to kids when they are their natural selves, personality-wise as well as physically. To me, in those pageants, they look like miniature adults (or worse, senior citizens) and If I wanted a miniature adult I would be into dwarfs or midgets.

Platypus wrote:But then children in beauty pageants tend to look exploited imho. So maybe for some people, it's easier to fantasise about them being exploited/abused further, than it would be to imagine the same thing happening to a more 'innocent' child e.g. a grubby kid you see running around the park.

Not for me, really. A lot of the attraction towards children for me is the "innocence," and it sounds wrong I know but as they get older and more "jaded" they lose appeal to me.

Maybe I'm different than most, though.

Platypus wrote:Do you think children look more attractive or desirable when they are dressed-up for a pageant?

Interesting question. I'm not really attracted to pre-pubescent girls so I can't comment on that, but there are pageants for pubescent girls, so maybe I can offer a point of view in that context.

Generally I'd say they look too garish and gaudy, so it's a turn off. That said, I'm not turned on by women who look like silicon-enhanced Barbie dolls, but stick one in front of me and I might be, purely because the message being sent out is so clearly sexual. Now the message being sent out by girls in pageant regalia might not be consciously intended as sexual, but let's be realistic - there's not a lot of difference (heavy make-up, showing plenty of flesh, tight-fitting clothing, physical display). It's showing off plumage.

So, to answer the question. When I see pictures of a young teenage girl in pageants, I find it silly. Stick one in front of me, though, and I might feel differently. There is always a difference between seeing photos/videos of something and actual physical presence.

I am a pedophile and I think that child beauty pageants are repulsive and I think its sick that the parents where most of the moms are overweight and sad that they had such a dismal childhood try and live through there young daughters by putting them through these pageants. I find none of the young girls attractive when they are wearing those big puffy dresses or the other outfits and make up and all that crap. They are so much prettier when they are just being girls and being themselves. The pageants all seem so fake and shallow.

Blben wrote:I think its sick that the parents where most of the moms are overweight and sad that they had such a dismal childhood try and live through there young daughters by putting them through these pageants.

Thus putting the same pressure on their own children to excel in the way they couldn't either, thereby setting their offspring up for the same disappoints and neuroses they have developed as a consequence. It's a grotesque, carnivalesque cycle.

Thank you all for your replies.

So it seems that nobody who's replied so far likes child beauty pageants, and nobody thinks the children in them look more attractive/desirable. So perhaps kids dressed-up for pageants are at a lower risk of being molested?

Or what if...they were at a lower risk of being abused by paedophiles, but at a higher risk of being abused by non-paedophiliac child molesters?

So perhaps the fear that JeffreyA suggested (that people might take advantage of those pageant kids), is a fear not of paedophiles, but of heterosexual male sex abusers who may be lured in by a girl dressed as an adult (whom they would otherwise have no attraction to because of her youth)?

Platypus wrote:Or what if...they were at a lower risk of being abused by paedophiles, but at a higher risk of being abused by non-paedophiliac child molesters?

So perhaps the fear that JeffreyA suggested (that people might take advantage of those pageant kids), is a fear not of paedophiles, but of heterosexual male sex abusers who may be lured in by a girl dressed as an adult (whom they would otherwise have no attraction to because of her youth)?

That's certainly a possibility. The message they're sending out is a clear 'look at me!', and to the heterosexual adult male mind, there's only one reason to look at women (sorry if that's a bit sexist!).