why do i like younger girls o_0??

No one is creeping on children by posting something. You weren't concerned about the feelings of the dead people, you were concerned about necrophiles being hurt or insulted. People with a sexual attraction to children might come here and be made to feel even worse about themselves when they read stuff like that. like you said, it is fine to be disturbed because of that but keep it to yourself like you recommended. It doesn't contribute to the discussion or the supposed supportive environment of this forum.

Your second point I agreed with entirely. I was just referring to the first. Learning to accept and love yourself is important but that should only be the case if it is clear that your sexual attractions are a part of who you are and were determined before birth or if they don't give you any distress. Still not everyone is ready to accept it. YouthRightsRadical himself has said that accepting himself took quite a while. If this is something that developed later in life and causes you distress, then there are probably emotional or psychological causes for your attractions and they should be identified and worked through. Saying simply accept it and don't worry about it isn't a helpful thing to say at this early stage when none of us have any information and the user is clearly in distress over their attractions.

Don't worry, YouthRightsRadical's feelings certainly can't be hurt by me.
Also I said it just sends chills down my spine when I heard that "young girls are hot". I didn't say it's disgusting to be attracted to children. It wasn't a general statement, I only referred to that particular statement. I DID NOT say pedophilia is disgusting. I did not even imply that nor do I hold this belief. So twisting my words here and assuming things is disrespectful.

Saying simply accept it and don't worry about it isn't a helpful thing to say at this early stage when none of us have any information and the user is clearly in distress over their attractions.

And again, who said "just accept it and move on?". Certainly not me so what are you talking about??

Yes, I know his feelings won't be hurt. Comments like that can hurt other people attracted to children who may take it personally or get a skewed perception of people's views on the subject. Just like how you were concerned about people getting a skewed perception of homosexuality from cumulusjame's comments. I certainly didn't intend to twist your words.

Sorry. Sorry. I was referring to YouthRightsRadical's potential message there

RecoveringSO wrote:

YouthRightsRadical wrote:Why wouldn't you be? Little girls are hot.

I saw your response several hours ago and contemplated on if, how, or whether to respond.

The statement "Little girls are hot" is purely subjective.

Yeah, I think he knows that. He's just trying to be funny. As has been said, the why is not so important as the how to deal with it but it's an interesting talking point.


I empathize with the asker, as I myself can not find one ... not one rational reason why. Little girls can not meet the sexual, emotional and psychological needs of a man.

A little can supply the emotional needs of a man. A parental relationship is based on that. A paternal relationship (like the Greek Pederasts) could also be viable because of this if you just through in sexual desire which will be no problem for many. What does meeting the sexual needs of a man entail?

They have no sexual drive.

Why do you believe this?

They can not relate to adult problems. They can not support, they can not comfort, they can not advise.

Why not? I can relate to holocaust victims in a movie even though I've never been in a concentration camp. There are universal things like suffering which transcend the differences of individual experience. But just because someone doesn't understand doesn't mean they don't care. And sometimes support just needs to be empathy.

They can go through the motions, but they certainly can not perform sexually or share sexual arousal/gratification with an adult.

Why? Kids can be taught to be professional gymnasts so they certainly get the technical down. I could feels sexual pleasure as a kid, I just had to do it alone. I fantasized about adults.

All they can do is be children. All of the explanations offered by "professionals' sound more to me like speculation and tarrot card readings than they do explanations.

It makes no sense. No sense whatsoever.

Yes but how much can children do if you actually give them the chance. You've made a lot of statements refuting the opinion of children being sexual but you haven't really justified why.

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ElKahn wrote:Except children are living, breathing creatures who can get traumatized if they feel someone is creeping on them. Having a small niece it does indeed disturb me that someone out there might find her "hot" and make her feel uncomfortable.

I really don't think it's that bad to know someone finds you attractive of they're discrete and measured about it. For me it would make my day and be profound flattery. Especially if from an attractive woman when I was a kid.

And anyway, just because you're attracted to someone doesn't mean the object of desire will know about it. If they are oblivious, what harm is there?

Mustelidae wrote:

ElKahn wrote:Using "hot" to describe a prepubescent girl sends chills down my spine.
Pretty, beautiful, cute...ok. But hot??
Also, as RecoveringSO said, it's no objective, universal statement. It's your own personal opinion.

Isn't that as 'insensitive' and 'rude' as what cumulusjames said about necrophilia? I find women hot as I am sexually attracted to them. YouthRightsRadical is sexually attracted to girls so he finds them hot. I thought you were all about keeping potentially offensive and rude comments to ourselves so we can keep this forum a supportive place?

I don't see any rudeness here; even though I am sexually attracted to little girls myself and ... (though I hate to use this phraseology ... ) I find them "hot".

Mustelidae offers a dose of reality. Children are not emotionally, psychologically or physically ready for sex or adult relationships. To find the "hot" is irrational. Pedophiles, like myself, need to remind ourselves and each other that this is irrational.

Mustelidae offers a dose of reality. Children are not emotionally, psychologically or physically ready for sex or adult relationships. To find the "hot" is irrational. Pedophiles, like myself, need to remind ourselves and each other that this is irrational.

You mean me? I am the one constantly saying children are not ready for sex, in contrast to what seems the majority here who think children could consent.

And actually, Mustalidae, maybe it's actually the other way around. People who come here knowing little or nothing about pedophilia could get a bad impression seeing all the pro-contact agenda promoters here. So far in these last discussions, RecoveringSO seems the only pedophile with a rational mind. Certainly I can say he learned from his mistakes.

RecoveringSO, many times I said here that whoever says "I am not going to lose self control and offend ever" becomes arrogant. I said everyone has the potential to make such a terrible mistake, because we are human and we never know what we are capable of until it happens. I didn't molest any child, but I did molest a girl my age years ago. I too thought I was never going to be that bad. I found my fantasies escalate last year, watching torture movies. I managed to stop and interrupt the dangerous cycle of addiction/escalation yet before it happened I was like "Oh but it could never happen to me". Would you agree that everyone has the potential to offend if they keep indulging in forbidden fantasies?
I think it's like playing Russian Roulette. You might be innocent all your life, but you might also make a mistake when you least expect it that can ruin yours and someone else's life.

I don't come here to promote a pro-contact agenda. Just when I read bad arguments I give a rebuttal.

What is with everyone using the wrong username today?

I'm not sure who counts as a regular user but I've seen about 4 or so 'pro-contact' paedophiles here. They all offer support to many different people with many different paraphilias. Aside from the political debates that turn personal (which only a few users do) and a few "So what? Its fine to like children" comments that don't address a newcomers worries, they are generally okay in my opinion.

I believe both are possible outcomes so maybe you should still take your own advice and be more mindful of other peoples feelings? If you aren't going to accept that then I should just be honest and say that the reason I brought this up is because it pisses me off how often you seem to look for offence and tell others to be more politically correct. At least be consistent then and not hypocritical. People don't say things with the intent to offend people but then you derail a thread to complain about it. It annoys me. It offends me

Perhaps it's your job and others to give a counter argument or to have faith in the people who come here that they won't make a decision based off of one or two users and will instead seek a wide array of sources before coming to such an important conclusion. Maybe they will read the countless other posts and threads from others who say that you should not be having a sexual relationship with a child? In these last discussions it has been YRR in the 'pro contact' camp, then you, RecoveringSO, LifeLongLessons and I in the anti-contact (?) camp. All the active users have been newcomers or other paraphiles not interested in the thread. Sorry if I forgot anyone else. Others responded to the hypothetical as well I think. RecoveringSO was only something like the 4th paedophile to respond.

Maligan, not everyone feels flattered when someone likes them. You might think there is nothing wrong with it but many people find it awkward or even threatening to be hit on.

ElKahn wrote:RecoveringSO, many times I said here that whoever says "I am not going to lose self control and offend ever" becomes arrogant. I said everyone has the potential to make such a terrible mistake, because we are human and we never know what we are capable of until it happens. I didn't molest any child, but I did molest a girl my age years ago. I too thought I was never going to be that bad. I found my fantasies escalate last year, watching torture movies. I managed to stop and interrupt the dangerous cycle of addiction/escalation yet before it happened I was like "Oh but it could never happen to me". Would you agree that everyone has the potential to offend if they keep indulging in forbidden fantasies?
I think it's like playing Russian Roulette. You might be innocent all your life, but you might also make a mistake when you least expect it that can ruin yours and someone else's life.

Be patient, ElKahn, you and I have unique perspectives; in that we live what others are observing. Through either experience or education, we have come to learn the compulsive nature of sexual deviances; and how powerful those compulsions can be. These kinds of conditions are not conditions that can be resisted by willpower alone.

I don't know that "everyone has the potential to offend'; but those with an existing interest in offending certainly do have the potential to offend. And yes; placing ourselves in precarious situations is playing Russian Roulette.

For those who have expressed an interest in offending behavior and think in their arrogance that they are impervious to offending ... we need to work together to give them a dose of reality before they destroy themselves and someone else.

Keep up the good work, my friend, and be patient and gentle with the well-intentioned others who are truly on our side but do not completely understand.