Monster among Monsters.

I did not mean to rattle any cages. I didn't expect people to be react that way.

I'd just like to point that just because someone believe X to be worse than Y is not an implication that Y is permissible.

I think that maiming someone is worse than spitting in their food but I still feel you should never spit in someone's food.

The pragmatics of English involve saying something is "not so bad" implies that it's at least tolerable but that's not always the case. I just don't want anyone to die without a good reason.

Chess, Randi, thanks for sticking up for me.

Elkahn, Countess, I know we've had some unpleasantness in the past (because of my short temper) but I was hoping to move past that and I hope that I haven't just ruined our relationship all over again.

It's lucky I still have the setting on that hides your posts from me unless I click them. When it's not my bedtime I'll read the ones on here.

I'd just like to point that just because someone believe X to be worse than Y is not an implication that Y is permissible.

The funny thing is, I NEVER actually said that I thought rape was 100%, always, worse than murder. I just said:

I'd probably rather die than be raped.

And spoke FOR MYSELF, and only for myself. Then I explained why I PERSONALLY felt the way I did. So why do you take my personal feelings as some kind of attack? If you don't understand the way I feel, then fine, but don't act as if you have some kind of moral high ground. Everyone is entitled to feel however they want to about this. I'm not entirely sure why what I said was so "frightening".
Don't act so condescending, and people won't get angry at you.

Elkahn, Countess, I know we've had some unpleasantness in the past (because of my short temper) but I was hoping to move past that and I hope that I haven't just ruined our relationship all over again.

I guess this "relationship" involves agreeing, all the time, with every single word you say. Sorry you can't handle it when other people don't agree with you.

As hard as it may be for some of you to believe, a lot of people who commit violent crime still have a moral conscience (unless they are psychopathic. Not all violent criminals are psychopaths). There is a certain code that exists among criminals and part of that code infers that pedophiles and rapists are the worst of the worst, particularly those who commit crimes against children, because many criminals have children of their own.

ElKahn wrote:I do not advocate violence of any kind, but in my opinion, rape is 100 times worse than murder.

I agree, to an extent. Though, 100 times worse seems a little excessive to me.

Murder is final, rape isn't.

When you're dead there's no more pain. Someone who was brutally raped could have physical and/or psychological scars that may last a life time, and some of those people end up taking their own lives because of it.

Dark Soul wrote:As hard as it may be for some of you to believe, a lot of people who commit violent crime still have a moral conscience (unless they are psychopathic. Not all violent criminals are psychopaths). There is a certain code that exists among criminals and part of that code infers that pedophiles and rapists are the worst of the worst, particularly those who commit crimes against children, because many criminals have children of their own.

I wouldn't really call directing their violence towards us a sign of conscience. It's really nothing more than a recognition that society considers us acceptable targets.

Chessplayer wrote:(And Joseph, need I remind you that you're not exactly one to talk, Mr. "pro-contacts want to rape kids").

If you have a personal problem with me, Aaron, then we can discuss it via PM

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Maligan12 wrote:Chess, Randi, thanks for sticking up for me.

This is not a war where people have to stick up for you. Countess was just pointing out that you were being disrespectful towards her and her opinions.

Maligan12 wrote:It's lucky I still have the setting on that hides your posts from me unless I click them. When it's not my bedtime I'll read the ones on here.

May I ask you why you hide our posts?

YouthRightsRadical wrote:I wouldn't really call directing their violence towards us a sign of conscience. It's really nothing more than a recognition that society considers us acceptable targets.

People attack other people for different reasons. Those who target pedophiles are no exception.

ElKahn wrote:

Maligan12 wrote:Chess, Randi, thanks for sticking up for me.

This is not a war where people have to stick up for you. Countess was just pointing out that you were being disrespectful towards her and her opinions.

He just wants to pretend he's some kind of victim, when he's the one who went on the offensive against me first. It helps him keep his self-righteous indignation.
Notice, he was the one attacking me first, but then he flipped things around, and claimed victimization, to make it look like he's the one being wrongly attacked.
I should be the one playing victim here, if anyone...

May I ask you why you hide our posts?

So he doesn't have to be exposed to people who don't trumpet his opinions as absolute fact and truth.

I don't think there is a debate as to which is worse being raped or murdered, they are both evil crimes that have long lasting effects on people, whether that is the person that the crime has happened too or family members or a loved one.

However I think it is safe to say most people would prefer a loved one to be alive rather than dead even if something truly horrible has happened to them, including a lot of people who have been raped, some won't feel they are better of alive due to the trauma involved and they are as entitled to feel that way as anyone else is entitled to their opinion.

Personally I would rather live a life than no life at all otherwise I would not be here now as I would have given up when I was arrested and decided I had nothing left to live for.

Life is what you make it, that does not mean it is easy and plain sailing though, as an example some people lose a limb and spend every day moaning and making life harder for themselves, others accept what has happened and make the most out of life and enjoy what they can. Bit of a rubbish analogy but we have to learn to accept what life or our actions or another's actions throw at us and make the best we can out of our life.

For me I thought I had dealt with a lot of stuff from my childhood mainly the bullying and confusion regarding sexuality etc and although I had put it all away in the past I had not actually dealt with those issues and tried to change any of them. That is what i am now trying to do, deal with them and see how it affected my life and how it still does today often on a unconscious level.

Everyone deals with things in different ways at the end of the day there is no right or wrong.

I agree with YouthRightsRadical, pedophiles are an acceptable target by society. There was a story on the news, this morning, about how HORRIBLE it is that convicted sex offenders (who went to prison and served their time) should be ALLOWED to win the lottery! I mean, if they victimized you and you want to sue them for their winnings, go ahead, but the way the story sounded if someone who was a convicted child molester won the lottery they should forfeit their winnings simply because of their crime that they served their time for. One of the people said something like "here they are with this money and their victims have to see that". Murders can win the lottery, people who stole old ladies' life savings can win the lottery, jay walkers can win the lottery, If you served your time then you should be allowed the same rights as other people. And if the victims have a civil case against the perpetrator then they should be allowed to sue. But to say they shouldn't be allowed to win (some law maker wants to make it a law), that is ridiculous!