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Re: No one will help me

Postby HoldenC » Fri Jan 16, 2015 8:14 pm

YouthRightsRadical wrote:

Personally, I like to recommend inflicting violence on the people who are threatening you before inflicting it on yourself. Killing yourself leaves the hateful bigots' ability to inflict harm on innocent people fully intact so they can just move on to the next target. Dying in the process of maiming the bigots diminishes their ability to just move on to the next target. You end up just as dead either way, but it seems sort of wasteful to not make the enemy do any of the work or risk any losses to their side in the process.

Like I said in the other thread, I'd prefer you not die, as a general rule, but if you're intent on ending your life, consider what it really means for your options that you have nothing left to lose.


That is really stupid advice you're giving.Recommending assault and to leave with a big bang,great idea.

James, I get where you're coming from with the self-produced films, the law doesn't care about it,though (or does it? I don't know if they consider of which acts a cp consists, but I really hope for you that they do).
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Re: No one will help me

Postby Endymion » Fri Jan 16, 2015 11:29 pm

To my interpretation, the message of YRR's post (at least in spirit) was a resounding 'don't let the bastards get you down', not specifically an incitement to violence. If the lynch mob are at the door threatening to kill you, don't curl up in a ball depressed and thinking about suicide. Stand up to them, or at least recognise them for what they are: a herd of idiots.
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Re: No one will help me

Postby YouthRightsRadical » Sat Jan 17, 2015 3:18 am

That's what I was trying to go for, yeah.
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Re: No one will help me

Postby cumulusjames » Sat Jan 17, 2015 3:21 am

I wonder if that Bertrand Russell might be worth a look
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Re: No one will help me

Postby theclouds » Sat Jan 17, 2015 9:00 am

cumulusjames wrote:I wonder if that Bertrand Russell might be worth a look

Ugg! If you're getting into philosophy don't read that old chump; read something trendy and contemporary like D&G:

http://cnqzu.com/library/Philosophy/Del ... edipus.pdf

http://projectlamar.com/media/A-Thousand-Plateaus.pdf
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Re: No one will help me

Postby cumulusjames » Sat Jan 17, 2015 9:47 am

theclouds wrote:
cumulusjames wrote:I wonder if that Bertrand Russell might be worth a look

Ugg! If you're getting into philosophy don't read that old chump; read something trendy and contemporary like D&G:

http://cnqzu.com/library/Philosophy/Del ... edipus.pdf

http://projectlamar.com/media/A-Thousand-Plateaus.pdf


I got Russell, Chomsky and Dennett. I'm into physics and alt economics/anarchism. That stuff might be a bit heavy going for me.
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Re: No one will help me

Postby cumulusjames » Sat Jan 17, 2015 10:04 am

cumulusjames wrote:
theclouds wrote:
cumulusjames wrote:I wonder if that Bertrand Russell might be worth a look

Ugg! If you're getting into philosophy don't read that old chump; read something trendy and contemporary like D&G:

http://cnqzu.com/library/Philosophy/Del ... edipus.pdf

http://projectlamar.com/media/A-Thousand-Plateaus.pdf


I got Russell, Chomsky and Dennett. I'm into physics and alt economics/anarchism. That stuff might be a bit heavy going for me.


Actually the bit about the analyst being just a big ear minus a sympathetic nervous system made me laugh. It's true of most mental health workers I have met. It's also true of most lawyers, doctors, politicians and judges.

I might read this now thanks.
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Re: No one will help me

Postby theclouds » Sat Jan 17, 2015 1:29 pm

If you're into anarchism you'll be at home reading "Capitalism and Schizophrenia".

Interesting to note, Guattari was convicted in French court for his work "Three Billion Perverts" on the topic of pederasty. Unfortunately the link is down at the moment, http://www.criticalsecret.com/n8/quer/4per

If you'd like an enjoyable video introduction to Post-Structuralism to get warmed up, have a view of "Examined Life" which is available in whole on YouTube, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D1RyVTMZJB8
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Re: No one will help me

Postby cumulusjames » Sat Jan 17, 2015 2:41 pm

Why was he convicted in court?
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Re: No one will help me

Postby theclouds » Sun Jan 18, 2015 4:16 am

This link explains in considerable detail,

http://www.rhizomes.net/issue11/genosko.html

The most relevant sections,

"What Guattari found himself facing was a day in court. His lifelong passion for the work of Kafka was about to be put to the test in a becoming Joseph K. The 'ridiculous side' of the charge began with his return from a conference in Montréal, Canada in April 1973. Upon return to his flat he was met by several patients sitting on the stairs awaiting their consultations, and his door padlocked shut. His flat on the rue de Condé had been trashed by police executing one of dozens of warrants for the seizure of Recherches #12. All the while, Guattari wrote, it had been available for weeks in bookstores around Paris: 'When I protested these proceedings to the examining judge, I must say that he remained largely perplexed. I thought then that there had been a mistake and that the case would be adjourned sine die.' No such indefinite adjournment would be offered. Anyway, it may be regained from The Trial that certain drawbacks, the prevention of actual acquittal, most certainly, are entailed by preventing the trial to progress toward the accused's sentencing. Limbo of a sort described in these very terms by Deleuze, but with reference to the passage from disciplinary to control societies: an endless postponement to which Guattari's case does not accede. Guattari stood next to Kafka in this shift, but failed to convince the 'perplexed' judge who was stuck in the disciplinary society. Hence, the fine of 600FF.

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Guattari explained that at the time 'among the things that most shocked the judges was one of the most original parts of this work – a discussion of masturbation. I think that a work devoted to homosexuality in a more or less traditional manner would have had no difficulty. What shocked perhaps was the expression of sexuality going in all directions. And then there were the illustrations – they were what set it off.' From masturbation to pedophilia, the issue still attracts censorship, either by force of law, or as a cost of doing business on the Internet where international police and judicial forces have been assembled against 'pedophilia', often regardless of critical content or context, for better and for worse.

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In March of 1973, CERFI – Centre d'Etudes, de Recherches et de Formation Institutionnelles – published in its house journal Recherches a special issue (#12) devoted to homosexuality in France, 'Trois milliards de pervers: Grande Encyclopédie des Homosexualités'. The director of the publication was the late French activist-intellectual Félix Guattari. Those familiar with Guattari's writings will know that his 'Liminaire' ['Introduction'] to the special issue has been reprinted here and there and translated into English, with additions, in The Guattari Reader. The outline of events that followed the issue's publication are well-known and summarized in a footnote: 'The March issue…had been seized, and Félix Guattari, as the director of publications, was fined 600 francs for affronting public decency. Number 12 …was judged to constitute a "detailed display of depravities and sexual deviations," and the "libidinous exhibition of a perverted minority." All copies of the issue were ordered destroyed.'"
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