Who are the lurkers???

cumulusjames wrote:However, in gay world we have a pair of porn star twin brothers who live as lovers. With the prospect of deformed birth removed from the equation, I am not sure where morality should lie here. No doubt, the gut reaction of most will be that it is sick and disgusting and both ought to be in an asylum, they are wicked perverts aren't they?

Not in this day and age.

Being gay is a lot more acceptable nowadays than it used be years ago. I'm not gay myself, so I don't really know if the gay community agree.

These days, it seems that gays are coming out of the closet left, right and centre.

Christians still seem to have a problem with them, but christians have always been narrow-minded.

Dark Soul wrote:

cumulusjames wrote:However, in gay world we have a pair of porn star twin brothers who live as lovers. With the prospect of deformed birth removed from the equation, I am not sure where morality should lie here. No doubt, the gut reaction of most will be that it is sick and disgusting and both ought to be in an asylum, they are wicked perverts aren't they?

Not in this day and age.

Being gay is a lot more acceptable nowadays than it used be years ago. I'm not gay myself, so I don't really know if the gay community agree.

These days, it seems that gays are coming out of the closet left, right and centre.

Christians still seem to have a problem with them, but christians have always been narrow-minded.

Think you might have missed what I was saying, not that they are gay, but that they are twin brothers who appear in porn and live as a couple, so incest.

To be fair to Christians, it's increasingly a minority who are anti-gay, but that minority probably looks a lot more prevalent if you live in the US, which does seem to have more than its fair share of hard-liners. I know gay people in England and Wales who attend church, and I've read that there's quite a few gay vicars now. It's a non-issue for most people.

The issue of same sex marriage is still very divisive, but that's mainly down to individuals' interpretation of what marriage is, rather than an actual will to persecute anyone. Everyone should be entitled to their own view, so long as they're not allowed to enforce their beliefs on others. Mrs Eggles, for example, might not believe that Tom and Fred's marriage is a real marriage, but it's not her life or her happiness, so it shouldn't affect Tom and Fred.

I wouldn't say I'm a Christian, but I'll stick up for the religion itself when people who purport to be Christians get all judgemental about other people for lifestyle choices that shouldn't affect them. Jesus told them not to do that. He told them to be good neighbours and not judge people. A proper Christian doesn't treat a gay person any differently than a straight person. A proper Christian forgives other people's sins, because he or she recognises that we're all flawed in some way or another.

Sadly, a lot of people choose to interpret religion in a way that they believe empowers them to throw their weight around, and validates their petty little human prejudices. These people are what's known as hypocrites. If there is a God, I'm quite sure that no 'supreme being' worth his salt is going to share their narrow-mindedness about the way he's created certain people.

cumulusjames wrote:Think you might have missed what I was saying, not that they are gay, but that they are twin brothers who appear in porn and live as a couple, so incest.

Personally, I couldn't care less. It wouldn't matter if I did anyway. It's not my life, and they're not hurting anybody. You and I both know that there's a lot of people who will think it shouldn't be allowed, but it's not their lives either.

I'm an evangelical Christian (not fundamentalist) in Canada, and I support gays, gay marriage and even gay adoption. I think it's still a big issue among conservative Christians in the USA though.
If they studied the root meaning of what is interpreted in our English Bible as "homosexual" and the cultural context, they might change their minds. None of the Scriptural references pertain to monogamous gays in love relationships. I wish more pastors who know Greek and Hebrew would be
honest about this matter and admit that it's not that black and white.

Oops, very off-topic by now. Sorry!

I was a lurker (observer) on a lonely afternoon when my mind was racing. I felt that I had something to say, so I registered and shared. I am not here to judge or compare myself with others, but to relate and not feel so alone with my frightening thoughts.
I am a 12-stepper (it saved my life), so I know about the power of groups of people with common goals. I gain insight and understanding of myself through your similar struggles. When I am in my head, I am blind to the way out of it and thoughts can snowball. Reading how you do it gives me hope and greater insight to my own mind when it scares me. Putting it in words helps me out. It helps me center my thinking. Oh yeah, and take some deep breaths. I am prone to panic where I can't breathe (or I breathe too much) so I need to be conscious of that.
Perhaps the lurkers don't have the need to register and are going through self-exploration at this stage? I like to think that this is a safe place and anonymous. Am I being naive? I don't have the paranoia of thinking that the internet police are at the door. My life is pretty dull and there must be much more interesting people to watch.
I like to keep things discrete around family and friends. They don't need to know I'm here. I like my privacy and solitude. I do feel stressed and shamed about my fantasies, but I think that they are normal. It is the angel on one shoulder and the devil on the other. We each have a choice on how we conduct ourselves, we are accountable for our actions. My judgement is usually trustworthy these days, but when I feel myself slipping I try to get here. We were all new here once. Thanks.

Hello, I am a lurker. The reason I am a lurker, is because one time last year I signed up and attempted to make a post, to bear my heart and soul and was instabanned due to using TOR. With my naked IP, I am not sure I will ever be able to type my thoughts here, it is very dangerous to speak openly without protection these days.

SkeptikalObserver wrote:Hello, I am a lurker. The reason I am a lurker, is because one time last year I signed up and attempted to make a post, to bear my heart and soul and was instabanned due to using TOR. With my naked IP, I am not sure I will ever be able to type my thoughts here, it is very dangerous to speak openly without protection these days.

You want to get off Tor if you are having the wrong desires. It will lead to trouble for you very quickly. Tor is absolutely not secure. I know this to my peril because I am now in the criminal justice system.

Tor ain't no safer than the normal internet, get off that $#%^ and stay away from illegal material.

What is TOR?

Mustelidae wrote:What is TOR?

In my current experience, a fast track to a prison cell. It's not something people on this forum need to be checking out.

I see. I'll leave it at that then.