Sexual desire, civilization and psychoanalysis

No, skeleton-countess, you aren't the only one who finds it offensive.

I'm with you in that there's not a thing wrong with either one of us.

skeleton-countess wrote:

cumulusjames wrote:I was born gay. I know this from my behaviour as an infant. Also more than 2000 examples of homosexuality have been observed in other species. As far as I know, not one example of paedophilia has been observed (correct me if I am wrong). And this should be viewed as positive, since it indicates "something gone wrong somewhere", which gives hope it can be put right.

I wonder if I'm the only one here who finds it offensive how you keep telling people that their paraphilias need to be "put right" or that they need to have some kind of sick reorientation therapy. Maybe some people feel guilty about their feelings, but I would never want to get rid of my necrophilia. There isn't a single thing "wrong" with my brain. The idea that paraphilias are "wrong" is a human construct and it's a way to keep us in oppression and keep us feeling subhuman. Nature doesn't think in terms of "right" and "wrong".
Also, just because gays have now been told that they're allowed to feel good about themselves doesn't mean that you can turn around and say the same things to us that heterosexuals have said to you. There's nothing wrong with us, and no matter what you say, we are perfectly natural and deserve to feel good about ourselves.

As for hebaphilia/ephebaphilia, these are legal and moral constructs rather than unnatural phenomena, since sexual maturity is sexual maturity in nature. But the animals (apart from manipulated lab rats) do not have such torments as bipolar disorder, for example.

Do you even realize that humans and rats are different species and have different brains? Human brains are much, much more complex than rat brains.

I mean that there should be hope for effective treatment. You are often defensive on here. I know nothing other than what I am able to understand from the 200+ academic writings I have downloaded from my universities database. Any other information I can get is from here, but is less reliable that academic data. That is not to say it should be ignored. You appear to be perfectly happy to be a paedophile, rather than wishing you were not one?

I am attempting to be optimistic that no one will have to be a paedophile one day. But I am also mindful that the elimination of paedophilia would not stop child sexual abuse, the public are not aware of this fact.

I have paraphilias (not paedophilia). I have been severely damaged by them. So yes, I would rather not have them.

I do not put my views forward with any intention to offend.

-- Wed Dec 24, 2014 8:32 pm --

Was it me or is "pro paedophilia" against the spirit of this forum?

Surely an attitude that paedophilia is just fine and dandy is against that spirit?

skeleton-countess is a necrophile. She said it in the post you responded to. I'm a pedophile, and quite happy with that status.

As to the spirit of this forum, I don't really see how anyone is helped by more self-loathing.

YouthRightsRadical wrote:skeleton-countess is a necrophile. She said it in the post you responded to. I'm a pedophile, and quite happy with that status.

As to the spirit of this forum, I don't really see how anyone is helped by more self-loathing.

Why are you happy with a situation that is constantly harmful to yourself (a sexual desire you can't act on), which would cause harm were you to act on it? That must make for a hard life?

If you read my post on CGI porn and loli dolls you will note I am sympathetic, even if I disapprove. When it comes to juvenile sexual abuse, I have been on both sides of that equation and had an extremely hard life inbetween. So I am trying to understand all of this, and think of ways of preventing it. My life has not been enjoyable.

Also I am bipolar and an alcoholic. I am often drunk and depressed when I post on here.

Was it me or is "pro paedophilia" against the spirit of this forum?

Surely an attitude that paedophilia is just fine and dandy is against that spirit?

We don't encourage or promote illegal behaviour, but we don't tell people they're scum because of who they're attracted to. You don't have to be pro-paedophilia to not be anti-paedophile, if you see what I mean.

I don't ask anyone to be pro-necrophilia, but I think I deserve some common respect for being a reasonably decent, law-abiding human being, who didn't pick and choose his sexuality off a shelf.

I was born gay. I know this from my behaviour as an infant. Also more than 2000 examples of homosexuality have been observed in other species. As far as I know, not one example of paedophilia has been observed (correct me if I am wrong). And this should be viewed as positive, since it indicates "something gone wrong somewhere", which gives hope it can be put right.

I've seen dogs trying to shag puppies. Who says not one example has been observed? I'm pretty sure it's been observed amongst chimps and bonobos. Correct me if I'm wrong.

Evolution casts its net very wide, and human sexuality has got to be the most complex of all species'. I can think of ways that paedophilia, and even necrophilia, have had their advantages at points somewhere down the human lineage. Like homosexuality, they're things that crop up in people because they're probably in the genes somewhere, rather than something that's 'gone wrong' in the majority of cases.

There's a few people who can 'fix' their sexualities, when it's an OCD, or the result of some confusion with an identifiable cause. Most of us though, just have to live with them, manage them, and get by the best we can.

Also I am <snip> an alcoholic. I am often drunk and depressed when I post on here.

Snap!

Graveyard76 wrote:

Was it me or is "pro paedophilia" against the spirit of this forum?

Surely an attitude that paedophilia is just fine and dandy is against that spirit?

We don't encourage or promote illegal behaviour, but we don't tell people they're scum because of who they're attracted to. You don't have to be pro-paedophilia to not be anti-paedophile, if you see what I mean.

I don't ask anyone to be pro-necrophilia, but I think I deserve some common respect for being a reasonably decent, law-abiding human being, who didn't pick and choose his sexuality off a shelf.

I was born gay. I know this from my behaviour as an infant. Also more than 2000 examples of homosexuality have been observed in other species. As far as I know, not one example of paedophilia has been observed (correct me if I am wrong). And this should be viewed as positive, since it indicates "something gone wrong somewhere", which gives hope it can be put right.

I've seen dogs trying to shag puppies. Who says not one example has been observed? I'm pretty sure it's been observed amongst chimps and bonobos. Correct me if I'm wrong.

Evolution casts its net very wide, and human sexuality has got to be the most complex of all species'. I can think of ways that paedophilia, and even necrophilia, have had their advantages at points somewhere down the human lineage. Like homosexuality, they're things that crop up in people because they're probably in the genes somewhere, rather than something that's 'gone wrong' in the majority of cases.

There's a few people who can 'fix' their sexualities, when it's an OCD, or the result of some confusion with an identifiable cause. Most of us though, just have to live with them, manage them, and get by the best we can.

Also I am <snip> an alcoholic. I am often drunk and depressed when I post on here.

Snap!

So if one day one of the scientists came to you and said "hey! we found the cause, and we got a really effective treatment" you would not want that?

cumulusjames wrote:So if one day one of the scientists came to you and said "hey! we found the cause, and we got a really effective treatment" you would not want that?

Not only would I not want it, I'd be very, very afraid that they'd try to force such a treatment on me. I don't say things like this lightly, but I would die before submitting to that.

YouthRightsRadical wrote:

cumulusjames wrote:So if one day one of the scientists came to you and said "hey! we found the cause, and we got a really effective treatment" you would not want that?

Not only would I not want it, I'd be very, very afraid that they'd try to force such a treatment on me. I don't say things like this lightly, but I would die before submitting to that.

You would sexually abused a kid before you would take a path where you would never sexually abuse a kid?

I agree with YRR. I know it would seem weird to non paraphiles, but I don't WANT to be fixed. I'm happy with who I am, and even if I wasn't, it's still a part of who I am. It's as much a part of me as my bisexuality is.

cumulusjames wrote:You would sexually abused a kid before you would take a path where you would never sexually abuse a kid?

How the ###$ did you get that from what I wrote?