Siriustora wrote:I'm among all ages, mostly attracted to 11/14 yo's. always have been. struggled with it for years now have accepted it. i want rational objective opinions if i say i want intimacy with one.
It's modernity that's causing the anguish. Once upon a time you'd feel no struggle to accept. But times are changing. Now we face oppression from unhealthy societal perception. We are also consciously becoming less individualistic and more of a social unity, despite our bodies and subsequent primal urges remaining very individualistic.
1) Firstly, I must address the discussion on age of peak fertility.
Skeleton- point towards a study that backs up your statement that the age of peak fertility is early 20’s as opposed to teens. As far as I’m aware, statistics on fertility (i.e. if you google 'age most fertile’) only reach back as far as age 20 anyway (which is scientifically ridiculous). Therefore, all these statistics reliably suggest is that fertility declines with age, not that it goes up, peaks at the early 20’s and then declines again. Following that trend, the most fertile age would be as soon as a girl becomes fertile, often some stage in their early/mid teens.
Your logic is hugely flawed. You state that post teens are the most fertile, admit that statistics don’t even consider teens and then use a (slightly flawed) argument to conclude that PRE-teens cannot be the most fertile… what happened to teens? You’ve jumped from post teens to pre teens without considering teens. According to all that evidence you provide, there may even be a fair number of girls fertile in the OP age of preference range, 11-14.. and perhaps when he sees a young girl he’s attracted to, it happens to be one that has developed early and is fertile. Whilst most teens may not be fertile at, say, age 13, those that are would be very fertile.
2) To understand our natural urges, one should propel ourselves back to a less modern, more animalistic state of being in which we developed our natural urges. As a hunter-gatherer male, if you were to have sex with a girl just coming into fertility you would have a good chance of being the first one to inseminate her. The huge benefit of this would be that YOU would make her pregnant, bring her out of the gene pool for the competition for 9 months and thereafter have her energies (and perhaps the energies of another unwitting male!) conserved for the upbringing of your genes. The longer a girl has been fertile, the greater the risk she has already been inseminated and so you may be the one protecting and providing for the kin of another man, without knowing. This is why the idea of having sex with a girl on the brink of fertility, in the teens, is for many the most attractive and causes the most intense orgasms, hockey fan/OP. It has evolutionary basis.
From a superficial viewpoint attraction to teens makes sense too. The most attractive teens tend to have all the attributes of an older women, (curves, breasts etc) combined with absolute youth- nicer, younger skin, less body fat, brighter eyes, hair, more purt, firmer breasts and behind etc…. there is a multi billion dollar industry based on trying to give women as youthful a look as possible, especially the reduction of fat. It’s easy to see that youth is desirable. In fact, hebephilia has been labeled as a natural evolutionary adaptation in the scientific realm.
3) As for understanding attraction toward girls 11-14, OP, young girls greatly exhibit two of the most important attractive features for men, femininity and vulnerability. It stems back to the masculine hunter gather function as provider and protector. Men tend to go for small, slender girls, rather than stocky big girls and girls go for big, strong men. This presence of opposites is what causes attraction. I love it when women squeeze my biceps during sex, it simply highlights a polar opposite between us, I am strong, they are not. Its not about feeling ‘better’ than they are, just different. Opposites attract.
Vulnerability has historically been a feminine trait. But this feminine need for protection exists less and less in modern women, as women can provide for themselves nowadays.
Vulnerability is also the same reason parents are attracted to their children (obv not in a sexual way) or people want to look after small cute things, puppies, kittens, piglets. Babies and small things are needy, vulnerable. On a side note, this notion of the 'attraction of vulnerability' in a world where men's protective role has become less and less reflected, may go some way to understanding pedophilia as well.
Once upon a time, in history, it was normal to wed girls in their early teens or even younger. In some cultures I believe it still is. So basically what we have here is modernity f**king with our natural states, same with chairs that cause back problems, computers and tvs that cause eye problems, indoor lifestyles that have caused a worldwide vitamin d deficiency epidemic, food industry that fills us with unnatural crap, sedentary work lifestyles that cause our bodies to atrophy and now societal ignorance that oppresses our base instincts.
What is modernity? The illusion of evolution.
Essentially, what I’m getting at is you need not feel like you have a psychotic deviancy that needs to be therapised out. You are just more independently minded and less controlled by societal perception. Which does lead to a difficult life. So you may want to curb this attraction for your own sake….
Whether you can or not is another question. Can a homosexual stop being homosexual? I think very many have tried and failed.
But remember, feelings are never wrong. What might more reasonably be labeled as wrong would be taking the feelings and lives of others lightly. This only can create a very selfish vacuum, in which you are totally consumed only with your self and your own feelings, narcissism. Only loneliness and spiritual death can result from this in the long term. The only totally selfish people I have had the misfortune to know have also been some of the least happy. Go figure.
4) On a personal note, I am not as attracted to girls that age as I am to girls in mid-late teens. I do think it’s possible that the intensity of my focus on this attraction is based on not being sexually expressive when I was that age.. this residual repressed sexuality has perhaps never left me. In addition to this, a quiet contempt for society, the world and mass opinion has obviously meant that I have an unhealthy lack of respect for societal opinion, which is the main difference, I believe, between me and most men who do not have any focus on teens. I believe most men are simply heavily influenced by societal opinion to the point where they allow themselves to be told what to feel. This is compounded by my conversing with many peers who admit attraction to teens, only in private though. Perhaps, these are something you could think about op.
5) And lastly, I must say something to support our discussion of this topic.
Borther hobo- you are patently wrong, the law is not the only consideration, evidently. We are all considering and attempting to clarify whether attraction to certain age groups stem from natural urges or some kind of psychotic disorder. If the latter is true, it would suggest its treatable and also suggestive of some deeper rooted issue that needs to be addressed. If the former is true, then it would be a waste of time trying to look for some deeper upset and going to therapy sessions. So, it is actually very important to consider the origins of such attraction in order to determine the best course of action. Also, for sake of one's self esteem and self respect. So don’t diminish the efforts of those to discuss topics that too often are suppressed. A strict adherence to authority and the law and disregard for all else allows things like Nazi Germany to happen.
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