Reporting Websites

YouthRightsRadical wrote:As I've already pointed out above, it's illegal for me to examine claims made about such sites, so I see no reason to take said claims at face value. That includes the claim that they exist, which is also illegal for me to confirm for myself.

Congratulations for trying in every way possible to take responsibility of what you stated before off your shoulders. This is pretty lame.

A poor analogy. I'd say a better one would be that you've got a meat cleaver, and want to cut up some cucumbers for your salad at lunch, rather than wait until dinner when you're going to use it to chop of some meat.

You're twisting and distorting my analogy so that you can make it suit your personal agenda. Basically, you're telling me "why not let children have sex before puberty, instead of waiting for them to reach sexual maturity?".

YouthRightsRadical wrote:Pity they can't tell the difference between "can" and "will".

Pity that you can't understand that it's "will" most of the time.

YouthRightsRadical wrote:Yeah, it's not as though I spent all that time trying to convince a guy to get out of his relationship with the girl who was trying to manipulate him with suicide attempts. Not like I routinely talk to newcomers about self-acceptance and recognizing that you don't have to be the child molester everyone on the outside assumes you're destined to become. No, I never help anyone. You're right, ElKahn.

Yeah and then you f**k up when you bring up topics such as consent. Your bad actions speak louder than good actions, at least that's how I perceive it.

YouthRightsRadical wrote:But I'm not going to shut up when people are advocating the opposing view.

Then speak endlessly as I endlessly advocate the opposing view you hate so much. I'm all ears.

YouthRightsRadical wrote:I realize you don't see what was so offensive about Prairie Girl's post. You hold the same position that "innocence" is some sort of virtue, rather than the unfortunate product of gaps in a person's current knowledge that are best filled in as soon as possible.The idea that ignorance is a positive thing that should be preserved offends me quite deeply.

Here's how you consider that children's innocence is a defect that should be "corrected" at all costs, as soon as possible. This is what bothers me the most. You have no right to spread such a harmful statement neither here nor elsewhere. You act like you're entitled to spread this message. You act like a self-righteous narrow minded bible thumper. Same thing, except that you preach your pro-abuse pedophilic agenda.

YouthRightsRadical wrote:Can you explain to me how reporting the third-hand reposts of such pictures does anything to hurt the child molesters who were involved in taking the original picture?

There needs to be a way to at least prevent people from spreading CP material, and this way is called "reporting" such material. It may not help the police to find CP producers, but at least it's a little step further that allows people with good intentions to contribute to children's safety. It raises awareness, too, but it seems like you don't give a damn since you're clearly denying the existence of this material and you're trying to justify yourself by playing the "illegality" card. It is illegal to possess and watch CP, but it's not illegal to acknowledge its existence.

ElKahn wrote:Congratulations for trying in every way possible to take responsibility of what you stated before off your shoulders. This is pretty lame.

Well, I was trying for a nuanced response to your question, but if you'll only accept frothing extremism, I can oblige.

The stuff doesn't exist, and you can't prove otherwise.

Feel better?

ElKahn wrote:You're twisting and distorting my analogy so that you can make it suit your personal agenda. Basically, you're telling me "why not let children have sex before puberty, instead of waiting for them to reach sexual maturity?".

Not actually a question I was raising there, but if you feel like you have a novel answer beyond what I've already posted myself on this board, I am, of course, willing to hear you out.

ElKahn wrote:Yeah and then you f**k up when you bring up topics such as consent. Your bad actions speak louder than good actions, at least that's how I perceive it.

Yeah, you're right. Consent has nothing to do with our situation. And people struggling with these attractions never need to have a conversation about what consent means, since it's so utterly irrelevant to us.

ElKahn wrote:Here's how you consider that children's innocence is a defect that should be "corrected" at all costs, as soon as possible. This is what bothers me the most. You have no right to spread such a harmful statement neither here nor elsewhere. You act like you're entitled to spread this message. You act like a self-righteous narrow minded bible thumper. Same thing, except that you preach your pro-abuse pedophilic agenda.

Yeah, I'm the bible thumper. We all know that they're such big fans of the serpent in Eden, and think Adam and Eve were better off after eating the fruit of the Tree of Knowledge. It isn't them who advocate "innocence" as a virtue. No, sir.

ElKahn wrote:There needs to be a way to at least prevent people from spreading CP material,

Why? I understand why we need to locate and arrest child molesters. I understand why we need to prevent child molesters from profiting from their crimes. I don't understand the need to shut down the flow of information when it doesn't help either of those causes.

ElKahn wrote:and this way is called "reporting" such material. It may not help the police to find CP producers, but at least it's a little step further that allows people with good intentions to contribute to children's safety.

How does reporting such material contribute to children's safety when it doesn't help police find CP producers? I think this is our key point of disagreement here.

ElKahn wrote:It raises awareness, too, but it seems like you don't give a damn since you're clearly denying the existence of this material and you're trying to justify yourself by playing the "illegality" card. It is illegal to possess and watch CP, but it's not illegal to acknowledge its existence.

Acknowledging its existence is either a lie, because you're claiming knowledge of something you don't and can't know, or it's an admission of a crime, because you've seen it yourself.

And I'm sorry to have to explain this to you, but the abuse of power that is inherent in the citizenry being unable to confirm the claims of law enforcement is a way bigger problem than children being molested by criminals.

*Sigh* You know, sometimes I wish the both of you would just shut up. If you guys are are going to insist on starting a war like this every time you encounter each other here, then at least move it to a PM. The threads are not your battlefields.

There's no point in engaging in a fight with someone who claims that CP does not exist and then justifies himself with lame excuses such as "it is illegal for me to prove that such material exists".

Also, YouthRightsRadical, I am not admitting anything. Everybody knows that cp material exists out there. Even some people here claim they were addicted and are now struggling or they're already clean. You can't deny this. I once reported a twitter account with that material. It still makes me sick to remember and I'm glad I contributed to this world by reporting it, together with other people reporting it at the same time. You should understand how absurd and damaging and ridiculous this is getting. I'm not gonna shut up, not when you cross every possible line with your statements.

I'm done.

Aaron, I'm sorry, I might be a warmongering idiot but I can't just keep still and do nothing while someone here crosses the line.

I'll agree talking past one another isn't a productive use of our time. I've said my peace.

I came across some weird Indian dude's facebook page this year where he had a few selfie pictures of him and his bored child wife. Wasn't anything dirty or sexual.

I haven't run across any child porn for a while now. Well... that I can remember anyway. I've never reported anything. Don't really want anything to do with it.