Lack of sex life - pedophilia relationship.

JackM678 wrote:I've known a few different people who were molested or taken advantage of sexually when they were kids, yet I still haven't run into one that claimed that they enjoyed the experience of it, or that it was adults making a big deal out of it that traumatized them.

I'm not really surprised you think your ignorance constitutes an argument. People have reported having sex as kids and only later "realizing" that they were exploited. They've reported positive or neutral feelings about the experience, operated under the premise that they consented, then explained how after being told how horrible and wrong having sex with a child is, they started to feel ashamed and damaged. Stories like that are on this messageboard. You don't even need to head for a separate site.

Again, you aren't helping me or anyone else choose not to molest kids by telling outright lies about what is involved. If I took what you're saying as gospel, I'd think to myself, "okay, so they'll obviously be broken and traumatized from day one, so if I had sex with them and they were fine the next day, I'm in the clear, and haven't contributed to any damage." And I'd be wrong. Because I'd have painted a bullseye on them even if not a damn thing I did to them was actually harmful in and of itself.

JackM678 wrote:If it was my child, and he claimed to have been molested and enjoyed some of it, I wouldn't call him a liar, or try to convince him that he wrong about his feelings, but I still would want the offender put in prison.

What message do you think it sends to your son that you want his lover imprisoned? Do you think he won't get the idea that you think he's wrong about his feelings? Do you think he'd feel like his feelings were being respected when he told you he wasn't abused and you're pulling the force of the State to have his lover treated like an abuser?

It isn't just the words you explicitly say that send these damaging messages. How do you not realize this?

JackM678 wrote:Even the founders of Virtuous Pedophiles state that the kind of justification you're trying to do should be greeted very skeptically, as children cannot give consent to sex.

Why are they an authority I should care about any more than you are? No, seriously, why do you think invoking them would make me stop and reexamine my position?

We agree on a handful of political points, the main one being that I shouldn't be gunned down in the streets for my ######6 thoughts. But really, even on that point, I find them to accommodating for my taste.

JackM678 wrote:I think what you're confusing is a child's desire and love for physical and emotional affection for their desire for sex.

No. I'm not.

JackM678 wrote:I was a babysitter for an 8 year old boy, and he was constantly wanting hugs, kisses, physical attention such as snuggling, etc. However, I didn't once mistake that for him wanting me to touch his private area or penetrate into him.

Did he start masturbating himself while rubbing against you? That happens, you know. It's a fairly common embarrassment for new parents who aren't expecting it. Who buy into the myth that magically the genitals only start sending pleasure signals once you hit puberty.

JackM678 wrote:I think some kids may enjoy the physical affection type of experience, but not actually enjoy the sexual aspect of it.

So you were lying earlier when you claimed you'd never encountered anyone who'd reported enjoying the experience. Or you're talking out of your ass here in this section. Which is it?

JackM678 wrote:When I was a kid, I still had some of my fetishes and fantasies, but those didn't become sexually arousing until I reached puberty.

Do you know what sexual arousal is? Can you define it? If you're going by the physiological responses, require ejaculation, etc. then you're again baking your conclusion into your starting assumptions. If you're actually making the ridiculous claim that the nerve endings in your genitals don't feel good when stimulated until puberty, you should really look up those ultrasounds of fetuses masturbating. If you're claiming that it feels good, but it isn't "sexual" then ######6 define "sexual" in a way that makes it an actual word that communicates information.

JackM678 wrote:If an adult had engaged with me in some of those, I might have found it somewhat satisfying, but when it started to turn into me being sexually taken advantage of, it likely would have freaked me out.

I can play the hypothetical game too. And my #######4 hypothetical is exactly as valid as yours, so they'd cancel one another out.

JackM678 wrote:I think you also confused some of my thoughts on Jerry Sandusky. I said if they were adults, it still would have been seduction. The fact that they were children and easier to manipulate makes it even less okay what he did than if it would have been adults, not that it would have been okay if he had done it to adults.

So if it wouldn't have been okay to do this to adults, why do the ages of the kids involved matter? Why is this your example, instead of one where it actually would have been okay to do to adults?

Because you're fully aware that if you give such an example, you won't be able to point to what was actually wrong that is unique to kids in the first place except for the social condemnation and victimization that I've already pointed out is at the root of the problem. But feel free to prove me wrong.

JackM678 wrote:You're also confused on what agreement is. Agreeing to something verbally is not the same as agreeing to it mentally. I can't imagine one time where a child would have had sex with an adult if it wasn't the adult that initiated the act. If a child says yes, that doesn't mean that is what they wanted to happen.

So you think your lack of imagination qualifies as an argument? That's okay, I can imagine that just fine. In fact, I do so quite frequently.

JackM678 wrote:I think what you're doing is making a victim out of child molesters and making people who try to stop it the victims.

You are the victimizers. The child molesters are reckless, criminally so, but when the child molesters aren't doing anything that wouldn't be okay to do with an adult, it's you who are doing the actual damage. Reckless people who endanger children's wellbeing are contemptable, but they're far less contemptible than the ones actually causing the damage.

Let me give you an analogy. You're holding a gun to a kid's head, and you tell me you'll shoot if I say one word. I reply by saying "###$ you!" You're an asshole trying to silence me, and a child murderer, but I still bear some blame for that kid's death because I antagonized a child murdering asshole while he had a gun to a kid's head.

So yeah, I'm not touching kids. Because you've got your metaphorical gun to the kid's head. I'm also trying to get that metaphorical gun away from you.

Well. I'm sorry you feel this way, because I think your lack of understanding is really what is at play here.

To clarify, I've not once said that molestation ruins the life of a child, as many people who were molested as children go on to live healthy, happy lives, but I think that is in spite of the experience.

I don't see a single case where a sexual relationship between an adult and child is mutual, nor do I find your argument in the slightest way to be convincing. Sexual interests develop at puberty, not in pre-pubescence. Children can enjoy physical affection and love, but they aren't going to get horny and ejaculate over the experience. The sexual relationship between the two is only to satisfy the desires of the adult, and the child is often promised other needs in return, which is usually why they say yes. The child wouldn't need to be asked to keep it a secret should it be something beneficial to their lives.

JackM678 wrote:Well. I'm sorry you feel this way, because I think your lack of understanding is really what is at play here.

The feeling's mutual.

JackM678 wrote:To clarify, I've not once said that molestation ruins the life of a child, as many people who were molested as children go on to live healthy, happy lives, but I think that is in spite of the experience.

Is this in response to anything in particular? I'm not seeing the connection to what we've been discussing so far. Can you connect the dots for me?

JackM678 wrote:I don't see a single case where a sexual relationship between an adult and child is mutual, nor do I find your argument in the slightest way to be convincing.

So, the kids who reported mutual relationships are lying?

JackM678 wrote:Sexual interests develop at puberty, not in pre-pubescence. Children can enjoy physical affection and love, but they aren't going to get horny and ejaculate over the experience.

So you are baking your assumptions into the premise. Sexual pleasure is about more than the sex hormones our bodies get flooded with during puberty. That's why people can have enjoyable sexual relationships after menopause when those sex hormones stop.

JackM678 wrote:The sexual relationship between the two is only to satisfy the desires of the adult, and the child is often promised other needs in return, which is usually why they say yes.

Let's assume for the same of argument you aren't full of $#%^, and that no child enjoys sexual touch for its own sake, despite the evidence to the contrary. Why shouldn't they be allowed to consent to it anyway?

JackM678 wrote:The child wouldn't need to be asked to keep it a secret should it be something beneficial to their lives.

Give me a moment while I try to process a response to that which isn't just an insult...

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Keeping the sexual relationship a secret is a response to the social condemnation. The very thing I've been talking about this entire time. It's a way of protecting both the adult and the child from assholes like you who'd imprison one and brainwash the other. If you weren't out there hurting people, there'd be no need to keep the relationship a secret. And in cultures where sex between adults and children is accepted, it isn't kept secret.

Are you even trying with that line?

Go get help. I'm done with this conversation.

JackM678 wrote:Go get help. I'm done with this conversation.

The sort of help you're talking about doesn't exist. Goodbye.

I think the saying freedom aslong as no major bad comes from it should be the moto here , and I don't think a kid having sex with a 25 year old when the kid clearly says yes and understands whats going to happen is possibly a bad thing but hey that's just my opinion for instance they get experience for the future with real sex , they get less anxeity ,etc it's healthy I do not have any interest in having sex with children personally I would find it quite displeasurable but apart from that if a 16 maybe 15 year old came up to me and asked me for sexual favours Id might say something positive instead of throwing her off the course and saying meh just because society says so because imo laws can ###$ off aslong as I'm not hurting anyone ###$ off laws.

Anyone who thinks the average pedophile has anything to benefit from removal of age of consent laws is playing a fool's game. Insofar as women are allowed to choose who they want to have sex with, and whether to have sex at all. There would be shifting of a few variables, but the end result would be the same - the unwanted men would get nothing.

FSaved wrote:Anyone who thinks the average pedophile has anything to benefit from removal of age of consent laws is playing a fool's game. Insofar as women are allowed to choose who they want to have sex with, and whether to have sex at all. There would be shifting of a few variables, but the end result would be the same - the unwanted men would get nothing.

How do you feel about raising the age of consent to 70?

Sure, it's spiteful, in a "if I can't have it, no one can" sort of way. On the other hand, it's the natural extension of their "better safe than sorry" concept.

x_Rose_x wrote:I think the saying freedom aslong as no major bad comes from it should be the moto here , and I don't think a kid having sex with a 25 year old when the kid clearly says yes and understands whats going to happen is possibly a bad thing but hey that's just my opinion for instance they get experience for the future with real sex , they get less anxeity ,etc it's healthy I do not have any interest in having sex with children personally I would find it quite displeasurable but apart from that if a 16 maybe 15 year old came up to me and asked me for sexual favours Id might say something positive instead of throwing her off the course and saying meh just because society says so because imo laws can ###$ off aslong as I'm not hurting anyone ###$ off laws.

Sex with a 15 or 16 year old has no correlation with pedophilia.

Well if your claiming to have sex with a 5 year old means a pedofile then that to me is a pointless boring sexual experience but hey if people enjoy that sort of thing and the kids or kid says they understand it after a full blown explanation and say yes then I don't care what so ever imo : } .