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http://ccoso.org/newsletter/whymolest.html , According to this source...



This is obviously a very simple version of why grown people do sexual things with children, but it is also quite accurate. Many people like the way this formulation makes the offender completely responsible. But what about saying he's not sick? How can that be? How COULD a person do such a thing unless he was "sick?"

The answer is obvious, if we're unafraid to look at it. Simply put, adult sexual attraction to children is biologically natural. (i.e. found in nature) It's part of biological sexuality. Various societies have acknowledged this in one way or another. An ancient Sumerian poem for example, tells about a young male god's attraction to a female child he sees bathing in a stream. He tells her how much he wants to posses her sexually but she asks him to wait till she is older because her vagina is too small and it will hurt. Unwilling to delay his pleasure, he takes her by force. (Florence Rush - "Sexual Abuse of Children - The Best Kept Secret.")

....the existence of all these rules and severe punishments seems to imply that although sexual activity between adults and children is highly undesirable, left to our own devices, many of us would do it anyway. Otherwise, why would we need all those rules and punishments to keep us in line?

This theory is supported by responses to an anonymous questionnaire Briere and Runtz administered to 193 male college students. Many (21%) acknowledged sexual thoughts about children. (Journal of Child Abuse & Neglect. 1989 13(1)) Some said they masturbated to these fantasies, and 7% thought they would act on their fantasies if they could be sure of remaining undiscovered.

Needless to say I am shocked, especially regarding the "193 college male students" study. What do you guys think of the article?

Paedophilia isn't exclusive to men and shutting out another sex makes the article useless in my eyes.

Sex with children is not biologically natural. There are good reasons why we protect our young from predatory adults, and no Sumerian poem or questionnaire of anonymous stoned students is going to change my mind about that.

Also, I don't believe that the majority of paedophiles necessarily need rules and the threat of punishment to keep them from doing something that they know would harm a child. An attraction in itself does not automatically indicate a propensity to abuse. It's a selfish minority who make rules and punishment necessary.

Graveyard76 wrote:Sex with children is not biologically natural. There are good reasons why we protect our young from predatory adults, and no Sumerian poem or questionnaire of anonymous stoned students is going to change my mind about that.

Also, I don't believe that the majority of paedophiles necessarily need rules and the threat of punishment to keep them from doing something that they know would harm a child. An attraction in itself does not automatically indicate a propensity to abuse. It's a selfish minority who make rules and punishment necessary.

Why do you believe it is not biologically natural? After all people used to marry at tween / early-teen ages (that is if you consider tween and early teens children) and even have intercourse before they were young adults many centuries ago.

(PS: I dont support sex with children in any way nor do I think it should be normal but I just want to hear your opinion why you think that way)

It's not biologically natural because their bodies are not properly developed yet. As for early/mid teens, we now protect them also, because they're still developing in other ways. I'm not really interested in what they did centuries ago, or what they still get up to in countries where patriarchal cultural/religious beliefs still trump modern scientific understanding.

We've moved on. For the better in my opinion.

Which of the following could result in offspring (is more natural)?

A. A man marries another man

B. A man marries a 10 year old girl

Graveyard76 wrote:It's not biologically natural because their bodies are not properly developed yet.

Yates, A. (1978). Sex without shame: Encouraging the child's healthy sexual development. New York: William Morrow.

"He also noted that all girl babies lubricated vaginally in the first four to six hours of life. Infants were born ready and fully equipped. During sleep, spontaneous erections or vaginal lubrications occur every eighty to, ninety minutes throughout the entire life span. (Masters, 1975)[1] Throughout life, sleeping sexual function remains far more reliable. While awake, our conscious anxieties take their toll.

Masturbation culminating in climax may occur as early as the first month of life. The baby girl is the most enthusiastic and proficient. With unmistakable intent, she crosses her thighs rigidly. With a glassy stare she grunts, rubs, and flushes for a few seconds or minutes. If interrupted, she screams with annoyance. Movements cease abruptly and are followed by relaxation and deep sleep. This sequence occurs many times during the day, but only occasionally at night. The baby boy proceeds with distinct penis throbs and thrusts accompanied by convulsive contractions of the torso. After climax his erection (without ejaculation) quickly subsides and he appears calm and peaceful. Kinsey reports that one boy of eleven months had ten climaxes in an hour and that another of the same age had fourteen in thirty-eight minutes."

Giorgi, Giorgio, and Siccardi, Marco (1996). "Ultrasonographic observation of a female fetus' sexual behavior in utero," American Journal of Obstetrics and Gynecology, 175, 3(1, part 1), 753.

"We recently observed a female fetus at 32 weeks' gestation touching the vulva with the fingers of the right hand. The caressing movements were centered primarily on the region of the clitoris. Movements stopped after 30 to 40 seconds and started again after a few minutes. Furthermore, these slight touches were repeated and were associated with short, rapid movements of pelvis and legs. After another break, in addition to this behavior, the fetus contracted the muscles of the trunk and limbs, and then clonicotonic movements of the whole body followed. Finally, she relaxed and rested.

We observed this behavior for about 20 minutes. The mother was an active and interested witness, conversing with observers about her child's experience.
Evidence of male fetuses' excitement reflex in utero, such as erection or ″masturbation” movements, has been previously reported.

The current observation seems to show not only that the excitement reflex can be evoked in female fetuses at the third trimester of gestation but also that the orgasmic reflex can be elicited during intrauterine life. This would agree with the physiologic features of female sexuality: The female sexual response is separate from reproductive functions and doesn't need a full sexual maturity to be explicit."

Ford. C. S.. & Beach. F. A. (1951). Patterns of sexual behavior. New York: Harper & Row.

"As long as the adult members of a society permit them to do so, immature males and females engage in practically every type of sexual behavior found in grown men and women. [p. 197] [...] After reviewing the cross-species and cross-cultural evidence, we are convinced that tendencies toward sexual behavior before maturity and even before puberty are genetically determined in many primates, including human beings."

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Will you really post this sh** in every f***ing thread?

UnluckyPaladin wrote:Which of the following could result in offspring (is more natural)?

A. A man marries another man

B. A man marries a 10 year old girl

A) A man marries another man.
How can you compare it? Homosexuality is not wrong and both of them feels attraction to each other and none of them will pass by a trauma. Man...it's just so obvious that I can't barely find words to explain!

And also, have you guys read that children had to do a operation on it's vagina because it was dillacerated? And you think that a sexual relationship between kids and adults can be 'healthy'?

Ar Ciel wrote:/\
Will you really post this sh** in every f***ing thread?

UnluckyPaladin wrote:Which of the following could result in offspring (is more natural)?

A. A man marries another man

B. A man marries a 10 year old girl

A) A man marries another man.
How can you compare it? Homosexuality is not wrong and both of them feels attraction to each other and none of them will pass by a trauma. Man...it's just so obvious that I can't barely find words to explain!

And also, have you guys read that children had to do a operation on it's vagina because it was dillacerated? And you think that a sexual relationship between kids and adults can be 'healthy'?

I didn't say he was going to have intercourse with a pre-puberty girl. Often when children used to marry adults, the marriage was not consumated until after puberty. And good thing. Not even I (or even most child molesters) think that is a good idea.

But to answer my question earlier. Marrying a young girl now secures the man an attractive mate before there is intense competition for her later. The early (pedo) bird got the worm. And will likely reproduce with her later.

While the man with another man can never reproduce. And the non pedos also missed out on mating with the girl that the pedo married, who is now producing him offspring, while they remain alone and receive Darwin Awards (all it takes is not reproducing, not just dying).

Nowadays or centuries ago? And what'll hold the man to have sexual relations with his wife (whom is a kid)

And homosexuals can pass their genes, if you don't know! Need I to explain how?