Omnipotence and Lying

atp71 wrote:The best liar is the liar that believes his own lies.

omg...Omg....OMG! Thank you. Not an N, but I never realized this. I actually already submitted a response in this thread about why I'm ok with lying and do it lots. But I was wrong! Lying is BAD. I am not a bad person, but I lie. BUT I don't lie! Because I'm not lying when I'm lying, I BELIEVE MY OWN LIES It REALLY did happen (or didn't happen). That's exactly how it is! And I only realize AFTER the fact that I lied! And I.....I think I just rationalize it or just forget about it, or I have ALREADY forgetten about it....because...what has past no longer exists, including...my sense of self. OMG OMG OMG OMG INSIGHT INSIGHT INSIGHT!

I can lie, and not even realize after the fact that I lied or be bothered by it, because I have a fluid sense of self! I have no connection with the person that lied! Without a stable self, there is no self to convict (based on STABLE morals) the self that lied of lying and therefore that they did anything wrong....OMG! This is HUGE. This is it. This is totally it. I solved the puzzle!

And this would also explain how the narcissist/psychopath can do no wrong! and they can sustain a grandiose self image because it just exists in the moment and then it's gone! You are innocent until proven guilty! The self of the N or psychopath doesn't exist long enough to be proven guilty by the conscience (and so their self at any one time is always good - they have no recollection of that self doing bad!) that doesn't even exist BECAUSE to form a real conscience requires a stable self to internalize morals and whatnot OVERTIME! DUDE, theoretical break through!

With no stable self, there is no self; values and beliefs, morals and principles are absorbed and then quickly discarded...as the situations requires. With no stable self...there is no consistent basis for judgment of one's actions. I didn't do anything wrong! I really really really didn't! I was not there! I don't know what you're talking about... (because my current self has no recollection of those details...because after I did whatever you accused me of doing....my self changed again...and I forget that I did wrong....in fact....it changed so quickly...and was so flimsy and insubstantial to begin with...because I just put it together on the spot to meet the requirements of the situation... that it contained no morals or a conscience to tell itself that it did wrong!)

but if I know this about myself, then how can I continue to lie? It's BAD! And I'm a good person! it must be, based on my theory, that this insight and it's association with the self that I have constructed for the purpose of writing this post will not last long enough to punish me. it must be that this self that is typing right now is so flimsy and insubstantial that it in fact does not even contain any morals or principles on which a negative judgment of the self could be based. I will forget about this insight when my next self comes. But I WON'T forget about it! I'll remember that I wrote it, but when I read it...my self at that point will not recognize the self that wrote it....it will just know that another self did.

In retrospect, I know the facts...but not my association with them. I, the current self, did not do what you are accusing me of. I know that it happened, but I did not do it. Therefore, I can say, with total honesty, that I did not do it. It may have happened. But I did not do it...and I didn't...for that self no longer exists.

Omg.....I am literally crying right now. No one has to read this....it's just for me. I wonder what my future self will think of it. I feel hollow.

Lol Crystal, that was very enthusiastic!

Somehow, I don't expect that's the whole story for everyone,

But if its a big breakthrough for you...

for narcissists who base a grandiose self-image on being good/right, this might have an effect, but not for everyone. maybe there's an element in there for most with that rationalisation, but it doesn't really explain the "yes, i did it, no, i'm not sorry." mindset a lot of psychopaths have.

oh......well psychopaths just have a warped view of the world. they assume when given the chance, others will lie and hurt them. So why would they feel sorry for lying to or hurting other people? To them, they just won.

right?

i take it you mean sociopath rather than psychopath, unless we're dropping the definitions. i guess thats probably a simplification - underneath a sociopath, quite probably. not what they think on the surface, but what originally happened to do that to them i expect you are right. i guess early damage stops people developing empathy, and after that if they are abused or not, without empathy at that initial level their world would be experienced as a hateful place and without the ability to bond with others, peoples actions could only ever be taken as hostile, controlling etc. and would probably result in a warped world view meaning hatred of of everyone and everything. so i expect your idea would probably be a (total oversimplification) of how that one works. I think its usually seen that "most psychopaths alsoo have a narcissistic personality structure" - and by that i don't know whether they mean NPD or just Narcissistic in relation to other related issues. Your guess as good as mine.

hey Twisted I never observed this about you before but you're actually really deep and intelligent...

That is both a compliment and an insult.


Though, since it came from you.............

I'm sure she probably noticed it before... knowing her she's probably just teasing.

You seem to have some issue with Crystal.........


Are you friends? or what?



I was surprised at your response to her post..........

are we friends ? - ask Crys, lol that last comment was good natured teasing from me, not anything else.

Crystal ignores me...i can't ask her. LOL

Crystal, excellent post, you put your thoughts across very clearly, and I could identify with what you wrote. Just wanted to give you my opinion. Thanks.