Omnipotence and Lying

looking forward to the "next episode"

very deep and interesting thread! Haven't read the whole thing fully yet cause its pretty long .

- I'll come back and read the rest later...

I think before we do another thing I would like us to create a baby together!!!

an imaginary baby!!

And as usual.......

I HAVE A PLAN! LOL!!!

And I want this baby to be a little bit of both of us......
Cause you are in my middle now and I am on both sides of you.
I will give him everything I know ......all the good stuff and all the references I have to good and bad.......
And I want you to give him everything you know. Because I don't know that stuff.

Here is MY plan. I want to give this baby:

joy
power
hope
pleasure
and you

Only I don't want to raise him.
I want you to.
I want you to raise him. Because I trust you.
You are always good to me.......because I always see people as good. I can't see them as bad.
This is one of my limitations remember? I limit myself all the time. But you....you can give him so much more. Your way of thinking is better then mine. I don't KNOW this for myself .....because I am limited by me. But.........you're good in my eyes and so I just have to BELIEVE in you and TRUST you to give this baby all this stuff that I can't due to my limits.
I am still going to give him the things in my plan. Cause I need plans. Thats just me.

I need you to know....that I REALLY want this baby.
I am thinking.........this baby would make me really happy cause he would have everything I can give him and everything I can't give him.....which is the stuff I know you CAN give him.
I just don't want to be responsible for his care and upkeep.

I want to create him. Cause I am a creator....thats what I like doing! I am doing it now....I just conjured him up out of NOTHING!!!! LOL!!
I am so happy!!!! I am serious.......how can you not be happy that we have a baby here!!!!????
( and I think you are wrong about me being terrified of nothing. I am a creator. I make SOMETHING out of nothing all the time. I have no fears with respect to nothing.....I can always create something out of nothing....as much nothing as you can throw at me.....I can create all day long )
So I am providing a plan.......and I create. The ability to create is limitless. What I don't have here....at this moment.......is your decision.
I am giving you a choice......to create or not to create this imaginary baby.......and for you to bring him however far or not far you want to bring him!!!!!
The skys the limit or not limit because from this point on I give him to you.
Like I said I don't want to be responsible for that.
So I don't really care what you do or how you do it.
I just want you to do what you do and do it with him!!!
I will be here. He can have my influence. I just won't interfere in your responsibility.

I trust you with him cause I want to. Its my choice and I have faith in you.
I understand here....that this may be a surprise. ( but you know sometimes babies are unexpected anyways.....)
I understand you basically just found yourself in this situation which you didn't really choose. The baby is just here now. I mean you had no choice in my creating him. I just did it on my own.
And I know the baby had no choice to be created. But its what I really want.
I want to have a relationship with this baby.......
I want him to know me.
I guess he would have to know me on some level because I created him.....
In doing that, I already put a little bit of me in him!
So I understand your surprise but......
I couldn't help it I just had to have it.

i dislike babies =-=

And jello I was talking to twisted mister, but that is ok. sure what you had to day was interesting too.

ThisEndUp wrote:I think before we do another thing I would like us to create a baby together!!!

i don't know about other people here, but tho i can be creative, creating babies isn't one that usually crosses my mind. luckily, i'm a woman, so its not likely to happen without my knowledge!

Joan, don't worry, one perk to being female, is its bloody hard to be tricked into having a baby by anyone !

This End Up, - the point of this exercise - to show how having a baby just because you want to create something will not result in caring for it properly ?

In the environement narcs grow up in they have to lie to survive, because anything they do "wrong" will be met with completely unealistic punishment. (Of course the punisher is completely oblivious to the fact that the out of proportion punishments is what creates the need for lying in the first place.)
Also the worst thing a child can do in that type of home is lie.
The best liar is the liar that believes his own lies.
And the icing on the cake is that the child (future narc) also will get accused of doing things they didn't actually do, and then when they insist that they didn't do it guess what happens? They get accused of lying.

It's not hard to see how that clusterf-ck could lead to someone that habitually lies, is unaware they are lying, and thinks you are the one lying.

hey Twisted I never observed this about you before but you're actually really deep and intelligent...

crystal_r wrote:hey Twisted I never observed this about you before but you're actually really deep and intelligent...

I have observed this. He's funny too. I have been enjoying reading what Twisted has to say

atp71 wrote:In the environement narcs grow up in they have to lie to survive, because anything they do "wrong" will be met with completely unealistic punishment. (Of course the punisher is completely oblivious to the fact that the out of proportion punishments is what creates the need for lying in the first place.)
Also the worst thing a narc can do is lie.
The best liar is the liar that believes his own lies.
And the icing on the cake is that the narc also will get accused of doing things they didn't actually do, and then when they insist that they didn't do it guess what happens? They get accused of lying.

It's not hard to see how that clusterf-ck could lead to someone that habitually lies, is unaware they are lying, and thinks you are the one lying.

Interesting point. Replying as someone who had a major lying problem, not specifically NPD, but my childhood was a lot like that, and when I was a kid, pretty much every other thing that came out of my mouth was a lie. Until... i'd say until i had that breakdown, if i'm honest, i'd pay no attention to whether what i was saying was a lie or the truth. Oddly, i haven't been accused of being a liar much tho. I try not to lie to my boyfriend.

Something happened that confused me the other night when I was drunk. I said i never got a tattoo done yet, cause "Its hard to when you dont know who you are" or something like that.

It might be a fair point to suggest i don't/didn't know who I was too well, but that never bothered me before, i was even proud of being able to be anyone I wanted, "i am nothing; i am everything" (part of the reason i didn't want to do anything like that) and it definitely wasn't the reason i never got one done.

Truth: Its true i didn't really have a good sense of self, its not true that's why i hadn't got round to it.

but i put it out there, and that cognitive switch that normally kicks in and goes "stop: you're about to lie," <Backspace> or "that's not true is it?" - just didn't flick.

- Nothing. I didn't actually understand I was lying at the time. - But I had no reason to lie, - no denial, no projection, nothing

Either at some level I literally don't understand when I am telling the truth, Or maybe it was just impulsivity-thought-timeout because of the drink. - I hope.

So if I'm drinking and people need important details on anything, they may need to double check it, cause i'm not automatically doing my own double-check as well. (didn't even realise i did it until i didn't do it.)

katana wrote:

ThisEndUp wrote:I think before we do another thing I would like us to create a baby together!!!

i don't know about other people here, but tho i can be creative, creating babies isn't one that usually crosses my mind. luckily, i'm a woman, so its not likely to happen without my knowledge!

Joan, don't worry, one perk to being female, is its bloody hard to be tricked into having a baby by anyone !

This End Up, - the point of this exercise - to show how having a baby just because you want to create something will not result in caring for it properly ?

No.....the point of the exercise is in Omnipotence and Lying 2



I believe in the baby.