Info on Sam Vaknin

wooster wrote:

Characteristics wrote:Sum1, it sounds like you get off to the English language.

. . . I don't blame you <3

It's a sad and beautiful world.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2enuY5smZYY

Hey - I like your avatar! Where did you get it?

It's a sketch I drew myself.

Don't ask me where I got the idea from. . . because I don't know.

Characteristics wrote:It's a sketch I drew myself.

Niiice! I don't know which one I prefere: the original drawing in greyscale (which you had on a few days back), or this B&W bitmapped version. Both are good. I liked more the artistry of the hand-drawn one, but this current version delivers a more succinct visual punch.
I think I still prefer the old grayscale one.

Hey - could you sketch one for me too? I'm getting sick of mine.
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As you didn't comment at all on the little youtube clip, I'll do the job (or trying my best, at least...)

Look at it as a basic exchange of goods. A barter:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2enuY5smZYY

- the Italian tourist gets off with a shiny new Phrase to add to his English Vocabulary, while the DJ gets off with a shiny new Line to sing to his Tune. Both parties enter the exchange poorer, and both exit richer. This is what I would call a Fair Deal. A win-win. No hidden agendas, no scheming, no scamming, just a Fair Trade of riches (the riches in this instance being the 2 sentences exchanged). Sounds like Utopian Capitalism, huh?

Now, it all brings me (somewhat reluctantly) to the rather uncomfortable thought that Social Interaction might add value and riches to one's life.

Take this very reply of mine, for instance. All the above thoughts (regarding the movie-clip) surprisingly formed in my head just right now, against my all intentions, WHILE I am typing it (which seldom ever happens to me); I was just writing this all down now as-it-comes. And voilà, I got a Shiny New Thought of all mine, out of our two-sentence exchange:

wooster wrote:

Characteristics wrote:Sum1, it sounds like you get off to the English language.

. . . I don't blame you <3

It's a sad and beautiful world.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2enuY5smZYY

Whereas I entered into the ^ exchange with a barely hidden (malicious) agenda at the time. I posted the youtube-link on two reasons, solely because:
1. I like it.
2. I wanted to deliver a certain message ("buzz off") in the most polite fashion possible. That was because somehow I got the inkling that you find my online persona irritating. (I don't blame you for that, my online persona IS meant to be irritating.)

Never occured to me that by re-watching the movie-clip today I'll see it in an alltogether new light. Strange day, 'tis.

And now, shame of all shames, instead of doling out cryptic insults I'm walking off from this exchange with a shiny, new-found (however uncomfortable) idea that 'Benign Social Interaction gives you riches' (or was it fleas? piles?? - nevermind, I'm just trying to be funny) - and so forth.
Ha! And possibly with a shiny new avatar too, if I'm lucky. Grayscale please...

Hanging in the air is the question whether or not you walk off from this exchange with anything at all, other than mild irritation perhaps (not that it's my concern).

wooster wrote:Niiice! I don't know which one I prefere: the original drawing in greyscale (which you had on a few days back), or this B&W bitmapped version. Both are good. I liked more the artistry of the hand-drawn one, but this current version delivers a more succinct visual punch.
I think I still prefer the old grayscale one.

Mmm. I'll probably do something better whenever I get any sense of what the hell shading is. x_X I was trying to give the face some sense of depth, despite my ignorance towards creating depth. I like the newer one because it's cleaner, though it does lack some of the good aspects of the other.

wooster wrote:Hey - could you sketch one for me too? I'm getting sick of mine.

This is funny to me. Your avatar actually intimidates my artistic abilities. However, I'll think about it and perhaps do one. Is there any specific thing you'd like, or can I just draw whatever comes to mind when I think of you? (Why does that sound cheesy to me. . . ?)

wooster wrote:As you didn't comment at all on the little youtube clip, I'll do the job (or trying my best, at least...)

Maybe it was my insomnia at the time, but I tried watching it. I had no clue what was going on in the clip when I attempted to watch it, so I did not want to look foolish and give a reply wherein I am simply ignorant.

wooster wrote:Look at it as a basic exchange of goods. A barter:
- the Italian tourist gets off with a shiny new Phrase to add to his English Vocabulary, while the DJ gets off with a shiny new Line to sing to his Tune. Both parties enter the exchange poorer, and both exit richer. This is what I would call a Fair Deal. A win-win. No hidden agendas, no scheming, no scamming, just a Fair Trade of riches (the riches in this instance being the 2 sentences exchanged). Sounds like Utopian Capitalism, huh?

I believe you've interpreted this clip correctly.

wooster wrote:Now, it all brings me (somewhat reluctantly) to the rather uncomfortable thought that Social Interaction might add value and riches to one's life.

Take this very reply of mine, for instance. All the above thoughts (regarding the movie-clip) surprisingly formed in my head just right now, WHILE I am typing it (which seldom ever happens to me) - I'm just writing it down now as-it-comes. Voilà, I got a Shiny New Thought of all mine, out of our two-sentence exchange:

I would usually have something of substance to say about this, but I feel like I am completely brain dead at the moment.

wooster wrote:Whereas I entered into the ^ exchange with a barely hidden (malicious) agenda at the time. I posted the youtube-link on two reasons, solely because:
1. I like it.
2. I wanted to deliver a certain message ("buzz off") in the most polite fashion possible. That was because somehow I got the inkling that you find my online persona irritating. (I don't blame you for that, my online persona IS meant to be irritating.)

Never occured to me that by re-watching the movie-clip today I'll see it in an alltogether new light. Strange day, 'tis.

And now, shame of all shames, instead of doling out cryptic insults I'm walking off from this exchange with a shiny, new-found (however uncomfortable) idea that 'Benign Social Interaction gives you riches' (or was it fleas? piles?? - nevermind, I'm just trying to be funny) - and so forth.
Ha! And possibly with a shiny new avatar too, if I'm lucky. Grayscale please...

Hanging in the air is the question whether or not you walk off from this exchange with anything at all, other than mild irritation perhaps (not that it's my concern).

I'm not irritated by your persona. Maybe slightly disinterested at times, but not exactly irritated. I have read several of your posts and well... It's a bit strange. They're uninteresting to me in some respects but you still provide a rather intriguing character to this game called life.

It's contradicting, but I stopped caring about making sense after the 20 hour mark of being awake.

Hey, guys, and I mean especially wooster, but Characteristics too?

I feel a little bit sorry for ignoring you for days. I think you are tough guys who will not have your hearts broken by my neglect, but I'm sorry for instead spending my time and wasting my precious words on the wrong people, who thank me with nothing but hostility and silence - I'm not sure which is worse; both are nasty!

Yes, I get little but unpleasantries in return for expounding on interesting topics as I've done here. Certainly, I understand that not everyone has as good taste as I have, and therefore, they are not interested in things that are interesting from my perspective, but why do they have to go on with that blah-blah-blah about not reading it, or about the fact that it is long, when I have already pointed it out myself. If they came close, I might slap them in the face, but I don't think they would be so rude if it were face to face.

To put it succinctly, most people are either to lazy and disinterested or rather abrasive and unpleasant. I suppose it may take a special kind of person to appreciate what I have to say. I was really pleased to hear that wooster really likes my posts, and also that Characteristics found my posts and my histrionicism interesting. I needed it, and I thank both of you for it.

I'm thinking about creating a mailing list for our mutual enjoyment. Would you be interested? We could call it "elite" or "grandiose" or something? What do you suggest? To be frank, we have ventured way off topic here. Also, Sam Vaknin's forums are crap and hostile to narcissists, and his mailing list is one purely an outlet for his own verbal expression and I imagine him enjoying the sweet symphony that is the sound of his keystrokes, much like I do here and now.

Our mailing list could be invitation-only, and thus truly elite, or it could be open to everyone, or we could create both. I have the infrastructure and expertise required to build these things. So what do you think?

sum1 wrote:Hey, guys, and I mean especially wooster, but Characteristics too?

I feel a little bit sorry for ignoring you for days. I think you are tough guys who will not have your hearts broken by my neglect, but I'm sorry for instead spending my time and wasting my precious words on the wrong people, who thank me with nothing but hostility and silence - I'm not sure which is worse; both are nasty!

Yes, I get little but unpleasantries in return for expounding on interesting topics as I've done here. Certainly, I understand that not everyone has as good taste as I have, and therefore, they are not interested in things that are interesting from my perspective, but why do they have to go on with that blah-blah-blah about not reading it, or about the fact that it is long, when I have already pointed it out myself. If they came close, I might slap them in the face, but I don't think they would be so rude if it were face to face.

To put it succinctly, most people are either to lazy and disinterested or rather abrasive and unpleasant. I suppose it may take a special kind of person to appreciate what I have to say. I was really pleased to hear that wooster really likes my posts, and also that Characteristics found my posts and my histrionicism interesting. I needed it, and I thank both of you for it.

I'm thinking about creating a mailing list for our mutual enjoyment. Would you be interested? We could call it "elite" or "grandiose" or something? What do you suggest? To be frank, we have ventured way off topic here. Also, Sam Vaknin's forums are crap and hostile to narcissists, and his mailing list is one purely an outlet for his own verbal expression and I imagine him enjoying the sweet symphony that is the sound of his keystrokes, much like I do here and now.

Our mailing list could be invitation-only, and thus truly elite, or it could be open to everyone, or we could create both. I have the infrastructure and expertise required to build these things. So what do you think?

Let me get back to you in around 14 hours when I wake up with a head that works cognitively.

I remember that some ASPD/psychopath folks got banned here and decided to start their own forum. It was invitation only as I recall. It started out with lots of threads bashing this site, but then calmed and the 10 or so participants continued on there in the same vein as they'd carried on here but with more allowance to express themselves as they were their own moderators. I think Myers might have participated briefly. I don't know if it continues or not.

In fact, Myers once created his own forum as well, but I think it only existed for a few weeks and then I believe Myers lost interest for personal reasons - am I correct, Myers?

It's hard to sustain interest when it's just a small clique of people.
Eventually, the new thoughts die out or participation drops off for other reasons.
Maybe it has something to do with social interaction adding value and richness to one's life , and so a place where there are always new thinkers coming is of benefit.

I don't know if an elite club would be very intriguing after awhile. That's probably one of the reasons why Sam V. keeps putting himself out there on the internet... to keep the emails and controlled interactions coming. I imagine it would hell on earth to be left exclusively to your own thoughts for an indefinite period of time, without a new influx of other's ideas as well.

Sum1, I often get value out of what you write. I'm sure I miss alot because I too find your posts very long and I sometimes don't read them in full. But I hope you keep writing.

Well, at least I brought this thread back around to Sam V a bit so as to keep it somewhat on track... Actually, as the OP, I don't mind a bit if it goes off track from Sam...

Characteristics wrote: something better whenever I get any sense of what the hell shading is.

To hell with shading. That's where laypeople get it all wrong, aspiring for "depth" & verisimilitude and all that sh*t - that's where it goes all shallow & sketchy. Just look at Myers' portrait. Awful, innit?

Your original drawing was perfectly good with the very fine lines, a bit like the figures on the Gundestrup cauldron - not shading but a means to add detail and attention.

LifeSong wrote:I remember that some ASPD/psychopath folks got banned here and decided to start their own forum. It was invitation only as I recall. It started out with lots of threads bashing this site, but then calmed and the 10 or so participants continued on there in the same vein as they'd carried on here but with more allowance to express themselves as they were their own moderators. I think Myers might have participated briefly. I don't know if it continues or not.

In fact, Myers once created his own forum as well, but I think it only existed for a few weeks and then I believe Myers lost interest for personal reasons - am I correct, Myers?

I am still taking a break, but, since you asked me directly... Yes, there were a number of antisocials who were banned from psychforums. I won't say names, but one of them created a forum which many of the others joined. I did have an account there, but I only posted once or twice. From what I hear, it has since been deleted.

I also had my own forum which I abandoned ages ago. I just didn't have the time or motivation to try to get it up and running. It's still there, but I don't ever get on it. I think the last post was back in June.

(oops. I meant Myers' old picture... )
I'm a bit slow as usual.


This new one is good, due apologies to Myers.

sum1 wrote: What do you suggest?

How's about "The Club Of The The Day After The Japanese Shredded The Big Dumb Dane Goliaths To F%cking Pieces"? (Mind you, I HATE (despise!!) soccer with a fervour - and I have a GOOD valid reason for it... Nevertheless I'm in awe of the vuvuzelas (or vuvuzelæ? What's the plural for that damn' thing?? Still it (JP vs. DK) strikes me as somebody's hilarious but cruel - and very un-PC - joke.)

I'm all up for elite-clubs and workmens' trade-unions & whatnot (RSPCA), so please do sign me up if you may care doing so, will you? Thanks.
(Free drinks?)

yours humbly,

~ Molly Malone