Humiliation question

This is becoming repetitive.

The fact is, if you scrutinise a person's reason for doing anything, from food choice to religion to life choices to politics, you'll find underlying reasons why the individual is doing or choosing that option, and they're always to do with conditioning or emotional need.

We do things because we are, fundamentally, machines that react to stimuli, and we do stuff that makes us feel good and we withdraw from stuff that makes us feel uncomfortable.

Have you ever heard of the phrase, "if all you have is a hammer, everything looks like a nail"?

* tangent , never mind (was too late to delete my comment)

justonemoreperson wrote:This is becoming repetitive.

The fact is, if you scrutinise a person's reason for doing anything, from food choice to religion to life choices to politics, you'll find underlying reasons why the individual is doing or choosing that option, and they're always to do with conditioning or emotional need.

We do things because we are, fundamentally, machines that react to stimuli, and we do stuff that makes us feel good and we withdraw from stuff that makes us feel uncomfortable.

I do things in order to feel something. Usually to amuse myself.

The therapist is always saying: how did that make you feel?

I can never answer her but from now on I'm going to say: I can't tell you how it made me feel but I can tell you what it made me do.

cinnamoncookie wrote:Have you ever heard of the phrase, "if all you have is a hammer, everything looks like a nail"?

This was a while back, but it made me laugh.

Thing is, Jomp has warned. He enjoys arguments that make people "squirm"...

It's not like I'm a novice myself, people in my family do this all the time. My mother even got sued for harassing someone. But from her perspective, she would "make people dance". I was taken aback by this reference to mafia movies, but then again my family is, for all intents and purposes, a small mafia.

It makes sense that if people derive pleasure from psychological mechanisms, they will keep pressing the pedal. And I mean this lovingly, since pressing stupid pedals is not foreign to me, even if it is meaningless, even if we are chasing an illusion or, in fact, making a fool of ourselves.

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Manners73 wrote: how did that make you feel?

I can never answer her but from now on I'm going to say: I can't tell you how it made me feel but I can tell you what it made me do.

It is indeed a very hard question to answer, we should get trained at school or something.

ViniStonemoss wrote:
Thing is, Jomp has warned. He enjoys arguments that make people "squirm"...

Why should this be a warning and not an invitation?

People "squirm" because they're experiencing a point of view that makes them uncomfortable. The other option is to hear exactly what you want to hear; what's the point of that, beyond ego-stroking and perpetuating ignorance?

Reaper was pretty cringy and I can recall a large number of occasions when you walked away (figuratively speaking) from her when she was busy trying to disprove you for the umpteenth time.

I don't think it's as clear cut as you make out.

There is a philosophical notion of testimony which basically states that a proposition can be accepted as plausible based solely on an individuals experience and knowledge base provided the claim itself is not logically implausible, the person or the source in which the claim is quoted has credibility and the claim does not go beyond what the person could know from his or her own experience and competence.

If I was trying to assert something about you on the basis of my own telepathy, or my own experience as a Buddha or empath, you'd probably be wasting your time arguing with me no matter how irritating I was being.

Likewise why bother arguing against a wacky self image unless it's being used as the basis for an assertion? Sort ties in to the OP as what is the "challenger" behaviour of trying to disprove people's self image if not an attempt to humiliate. Admittedly it usually reflects more negatively on the person initiating than the one defending and is clearly based in feelings of inferiority but I imagine it makes people squirm even if they know it isn't true.

but reaper isnt here so

out of sight out of mind?

Greebo wrote:If I was trying to assert something about you on the basis of my own telepathy, or my own experience as a Buddha or empath, you'd probably be wasting your time arguing with me no matter how irritating I was being.

I guess it would depend on whether you'd be able to discuss your position reasonably. Telepathy can be tested.

If I presented evidence that your position, not your opinion, was logically implausible, that would call the opinion into question.

justonemoreperson wrote:

Greebo wrote:If I was trying to assert something about you on the basis of my own telepathy, or my own experience as a Buddha or empath, you'd probably be wasting your time arguing with me no matter how irritating I was being.

I guess it would depend on whether you'd be able to discuss your position reasonably. Telepathy can be tested.

If I presented evidence that your position, not your opinion, was logically implausible, that would call the opinion into question.

Well logically the burden should rest with he who asserts, it shouldn't be up to you to disprove the existence of my magical powers.

In this place I imagine the discussion would look something like...

Q: My telepathy tells me that you are a closet homosexual
J: So tell me what I'm thinking now
Q: Your're thinking about naked little boys
J: No I'm not.
Q: Yes you are, you're just in denial/too brain dead/brainwashed by the CIA/lying
Etc etc

Distortions and delusions have to be able to survive the individuals day-to-day experiences of reality, they are not logical and often the individuals psychological survival is reliant on them. They will be defended/pursued to the last breath and aren't going to be demolished by reasonable argument on the internet. In most cases nothing short of a catastrophic event is going to do the trick.

That's not to say that crazy people can't make reasonable points just not when their crazy is being used as the foundation of that point.