Crossing over to psychopathy

I wonder what would happen if we occassionally pushed past the sensationalist and criminality approach that mainstream society desperately clings to so they can get off on it

Fairly relatedly, psychopaths can make some of the best CEOs, surgeons, lawyers, etc.
- and there are a lot of studies done examining what traits people with NPD have that make them so able to be the best at management positions and politics, etc.

On a tangent, this is kind of neat
The Neuroscientist Who Discovered He Was a Psychopath
https://www.smithsonianmag.com/science- ... 180947814/

Psychopaths don’t make good anything’s other than criminals pieces of $#%^. It sounds good, but in reality psychopaths don’t have the capacity to be a surgeon or anything else of the sorts

I’d like to know of one single surgeon or successful person of any kind actually ever diagnosed as a psychopath...Please enlighten us all

Esmoke wrote:Psychopaths don’t make good anything’s other than criminals pieces of $#%^. It sounds good, but in reality psychopaths don’t have the capacity to be a surgeon or anything else of the sorts

I’d like to know of one single surgeon or successful period of any kind actually ever diagnosed as a psychopath...Please enlighten us all

You spelled jealousy and hurt feelings wrong

DaturaInnoxia wrote:

Esmoke wrote:Psychopaths don’t make good anything’s other than criminals pieces of $#%^. It sounds good, but in reality psychopaths don’t have the capacity to be a surgeon or anything else of the sorts

I’d like to know of one single surgeon or successful period of any kind actually ever diagnosed as a psychopath...Please enlighten us all

You spelled jealousy and hurt feelings wrong

Is that the best you can do?

-- Thu May 28, 2020 6:29 pm --

Let’s just say, I have scored higher on the pcl-r than the rest of you #######1 combined but ohhhhh well please enlighten us with ur pop psychology #######4.

I’ll share legal documents with anyone who doubts me, got back your own $#%^ up too

Show me something real #######1

-- Thu May 28, 2020 6:46 pm --

DaturaInnoxia wrote:

Esmoke wrote:Psychopaths don’t make good anything’s other than criminals pieces of $#%^. It sounds good, but in reality psychopaths don’t have the capacity to be a surgeon or anything else of the sorts

I’d like to know of one single surgeon or successful period of any kind actually ever diagnosed as a psychopath...Please enlighten us all

You spelled jealousy and hurt feelings wrong

Let’s see who is jealous?

DaturaInnoxia wrote:
You spelled jealousy and hurt feelings wrong

See what you've done now? You've upset him.

justonemoreperson wrote:

DaturaInnoxia wrote:
You spelled jealousy and hurt feelings wrong

See what you've done now? You've upset him.

Yeah, I decided to step back because his lies are so bad that I feel embarrassed. It makes me wish he'd either stop or put more effort into making them believable.

Normally I'd try to preserve dignity, but he's really starting to irritate me
- and he doesn't even realize how gentle some people are being with him.

Esmoke wrote:Psychopaths don’t make good anything’s other than criminals pieces of $#%^. It sounds good, but in reality psychopaths don’t have the capacity to be a surgeon or anything else of the sorts

I’d like to know of one single surgeon or successful person of any kind actually ever diagnosed as a psychopath...Please enlighten us all

Ignoring the passive-aggressive sarcasm and angry keyboard hammering, this is true to an extent, but you have to consider the way that diagnosis is achieved.

Anyone who is managing to hold it together might not be diagnosed, as they haven't done anything forcing a diagnosis. Most psychopaths are diagnosed once they've gone through the court system, meaning that they are unable to function normally.

Saying that most psychopaths are convicted criminals is a bit like saying most people who drown live near water, so living near water makes you a worse swimmer. It's specious reasoning.

Also, there are two major factors in the behaviour of a "psychopath." Nature, where a person is genetically predisposed to exhibit the traits and nurture, where they're affected by the way they're raised.

Someone predisposed to psychopathy, but who is brought up in a stable environment, would be better able to rationalise and condition themselves into the world. Those who live in poorer areas, where crime is more the norm and education less important, would be less likely to integrate themselves.

This is fairly obvious when you see that the majority of people diagnosed with AsPD have dysfunctional upbringings. They're the ones who get diagnosed.

My own diagnosis was forced through court, but I'm able to carry on and be reasonably successful, notwithstanding the usual issues surrounding the condition. My parents where professional middle-class people and, this is the important bit, provided a structure in which I could see success and how interaction between people needs to be reciprocal to avoid alienation and failure.

Most of these types that end up running corporations eventually fail. Whether narcissists or psychopaths, the failure mechanism is arrogance and the self-centred nature of the conditions. The last CEO I worked for who was like this, was earning seven figures a year and yet got fired for embezzling from the company the relatively small amount of $50k.

This isn't TV; these conditions reflect a development issue, but it's not the whole of the person's personality or intelligence. To say that psychos or narcs "can't" or "will always" is ludicrous. You might as well say that everyone with depression will kill themselves, or anyone with Autism is great at Blackjack.

You need to move away from the black and white nature of online forums and consider the complex nature of personality development.

Because I think it's neat and I wish I had that level of education, I'm compelled to briefly interupt to add that the diagnosed psychopath in the article I provided is a neuroscientist, author, professor of psychiatry and human behavior, retired professor of anatomy and neurobiology and chairperson (of things I can't remember) in the states.

DaturaInnoxia wrote:Because I think it's neat and I wish I had that level of education, I'm compelled to briefly interupt to add that the diagnosed psychopath in the article I provided is a neuroscientist, author, professor of psychiatry and human behavior, retired professor of anatomy and neurobiology and chairperson (of things I can't remember) in the states.

There's a lot of conjecture around James Fallon. I watched the original documentary when he did his own brain scan. It seemed compelling at the time, but some have said that it was done to further the interest of the show.

I think circumstance is an important consideration. To be fair, I can't see how anyone with this condition would be able to go through the number of years it takes, with the amount of attention to detail and self-discipline required to achieve.

My level of "success" has been a roller-coaster of success and failure, not a constant "rise to power". I've gained a lot but lost it all, manipulated my way into positions where I can be successful but then lost it when I've taken on too much to be able to maintain it over time.

Jobs that I could be great at would be as a game-show host, tent-preacher, fire-fighter etc. Jobs that I wouldn't be able to do would be stuff that requires constant effort. I couldn't be a doctor or a lawyer. I'd be a good teacher, but I wouldn't be able to do the years of college to get my qualifications.

My success is built on the abilities of others. When I ran a large department, I had a PA who used to follow me around and take care of all the stuff I was saying, she'd plan my meetings, brief me on stuff I was too bored to read, document everything and push things under my nose that needed signing.

I run my own business now, but I don't really; my wife runs the background stuff and I just turn up and do stuff I'm good at.