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@SJR,

"I find this behavior problematic coming from a mod, being judge and party. I do not find coordinated attacks on a character amusing."

If you're referring to my "amused PM" to quoth as problematic behavior for a mod, as an attempt to coordinate an attack on your character, you couldn't be further from the truth. I can't publish PMs here as it's against the rules to do so, but I can assure you that the PM I sent contained a joke, and it wasn't about you. You're inferring something that's not there.


@to all posters,

I don't have to remind anyone here that I was (before becoming a mod) and continue to post as a user here, like anyone else here, and am a mod only to help facilitate thread conversations, not to attack posters. I acknowledge that this thread has gone off track and I'm also partly to blame for that. So, my apologies, OP, and to everyone posting here, please get back to the original topic. Thanks!

realityhere wrote:

From what I've read about akuma's "theories", it's based on facts, yes, facts, and akuma has undergone various therapy methods and continues to work with what therapy is working for him as opposed to what hasn't. At least he is trying to do something about his disorder. I don't think this is the safer/easier way to confront a disorder. In fact, it's the scariest thing to know theory--scientific fact is hardest to confront. It is the safer/easier way is remain unaware, by all means. If one is disordered, then because of the nature of his disorder, such an individual doesn't have introspection to rely on.

Psychological/psychiatric/psycho-analytical theories are based on patient/volunteer self-reports. These self-reports require introspection on the part of the "non-professional". And how accurate are they? They may feel pressured, rushed, or intimidated, and give the answers they think they should, or just any old answer to get it done and over with.

Whether psychology etc. are sciences is very controversial at least.

http://articles.latimes.com/2012/jul/13 ... e-20120713

People come onto these forums in desperation to share their confusion and anxiety and get some civil feedback, not condescending lectures on "science" that even acadamics question or deny even IS science. karenk, like a lot of people who come to this forum, I suspect is long gone outta here...

heracles,

No science is an exact science, precisely because new research findings change theories--more often than anybody would like. Knowledge is a pretty fluid thing. I understand the skepticism.

For psychology, there needs to be some standard criteria based on many years of psychological research and long-time observation of symptoms and patient histories by professionals, otherwise there would be no context on which to base a program of therapy to help a client with whatever issues are troubling him. Patient self-reports are only a starting point, and in many cases patients themselves either do not know or feel confused enough as it is about what troubles them. PDs are notoriously complex and difficult to treat, in some cases the unaware patient starts with therapy for some other problem, anger management issues at work, a failing marriage, depression or anxiety, for examples. That is where some professionals start with a client, only to uncover far deeper issues. Any professional with his salt would take in the whole patient, not just his disorder, into account.

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As for karenk, I hope she returns some day. I was not lecturing her, btw. I did not think it was appropriate for a poster to try and discredit another poster's view, a poster, who like you, has done a lot of research on his issues and who has undergone therapy. There are many ways to skin a polecat, and I'm referring to the disorder. You have your view, and that's okay. Akuma has his, and that's okay. It's when a poster starts attacking another poster, that's not ok. Forum rules are forum rules.

Thanks for your diplomacy.

I have never undergone therapy. I take a much more philosophical, skeptical view of all this. If therapy, psychology, whatever, works for somebody, more power to them, science or not.

As I've said before, I shouldn't be on this forum. I come here more out of boredom and addiction than anything else. I'm working on staying away, and leaving PsychForums for people who believe in the paradigm it was created with.

heracles,

"I have never undergone therapy. I take a much more philosophical, skeptical view of all this."

Understood, and I hope you continue with your contributions on the forums, rare as they are, even though you may disagree with other posters. You present valid points with your view even in disagreement and others may find your alternate view enlightening to know. That's my take from what I've learned being on this forum for several years. I learn something new every day.

realityhere wrote:Forum rules are forum rules.

Whether some other posters have been hard working is not for me to determine, but one thing I know for certain, I have also been working very hard at my issues. I have also made extensive research, readings, self-analysis, as well as pursuing conversations with therapists and knowledgeable people, as far as amateur knowledge can go. I have put theory into practice, and turned my life around in more than one field. At times I express my feelings and at times I try to pass on knowledge best I can.

Some posters seem able to attack other posters in impunity, eschewing the rules. It makes it hard not to become suspicious if those posters also appear to be exchanging PMs with moderation.

I would want to hope not to have my experience with recovery and knowledge (as well as other people's experience) devalued, denigrated or ridiculed. And I am not blaming NPD for this negative experience as I've had cordial relationships with many NPD posters on here, while I've felt insulted by people who view themselves as PD free.

realityhere wrote:I can't publish PMs here as it's against the rules to do so, but I can assure you that the PM I sent contained a joke, and it wasn't about you.

There is no way for me to know. But what I'm wishing for the forum is the assurance of a moderation who remains impartial and is aware that throwing oil on fire would have damaging consequences. This is the kind of assurance that, in my opinion, would bring stability to the threads.

@SJR,

"I find this behavior problematic coming from a mod, being judge and party. I do not find coordinated attacks on a character amusing."

And then this:

"Some posters seem able to attack other posters in impunity, eschewing the rules. It makes it hard not to become suspicious if those posters also appear to be exchanging PMs with moderation."

I'm beginning to wonder where are you going with this circular argument. FYI posters exchange PMs with mods for various reasons, and it's not about conspiracy, if this is what you're trying to make this into. You are insinuating motives that are not there and criticising every move I make on this forum publicly, and I grant that is part and parcel of modding. Would you like this job? I doubt it, you couldn't handle it.

"Maybe one reason why Akuma relies on theory is because it feels easier/safer to him to remain in the confines of theory as opposed to introspective observations ... idk"

And then this:

"I would want to hope not to have my experience with recovery and knowledge (as well as other people's experience) devalued, denigrated or ridiculed."

What an irony.

If you had disagreed with akuma's view and merely pointed out certain points about his view--for example, "I disagree with A's view because (a), (b), and (c)", and countered with valid research to back up what your view represents instead of denigrating akuma for his ivory tower approach, that would have been a far different argument and would have been acceptable discussion. But instead you implied something much closer along the lines of an ad hominem attack, leaving a remark that left little to explain yourself, along with a..."idk", as if to excuse yourself from laziness.

If you hope to not have your experience with recovery and knowledge devalued, denigrated or ridiculed, then don't devalue, denigrate or ridicule others whose experience with recovery and knowledge is different from yours.

If you didn't like what I said, well, tough.