NPD Survey - Introverted MBTI

(in my personal experience from people i knew none of them were shy . one were npd/bpd that seemd like someone with narcissism and very social only that she was way more turbulent /or you could she her inferiority complex easier.like people here who seem to be triggered more easy and often ,like bpd. while the overt was more open minded,not so easy to get triggered over small threats because he felt superiority.
i am starting to think her husband wasn't a non but covert npd because he was more shy and lacked empathy.but i never saw anyone very shy from the people i suspect they had narcissistic traits.)

you can be any type and still have npd. it can be with anything. is just that stereotyoically you expect disorders to be extroverted and without realistic program(p) because these are the people who would be more obvious to the puplic. but stereotypes are not always true.
also rare types are indicator of disorder exactly because they are rare. again not sure that you will have pd but if you are rare you must feel something. that you are different in comparison

i am also introverted and i can be very social .introverted doesn't mean shy. people make me feel tired and not shy

Midwinter wrote:For f#ck sake, do not equal personal testiomony with factual evidence. Just because some people that think they have NPD is introverted, it doesn't automaticly create causality. Low level of thinking.

I never claim my opinion is an objective truth, I simply state my own observation and beliefs, as constantly referencing other people's work seems like a lack of critical mind to me. I can see how it feels safer to back up every possible claim with a research paper, but sometimes using common sense is enough. I don't mind people proving me wrong as I benefit from it more than they do.

I found an interesting article for you that backs up your claim however (see, I am not cherry picking evidence). The article is from the Institute of Personality Assesment and Research at University of California. You can go read it here: http://scottbarrykaufman.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/08/Two-faces-of-Narcissism.pdf

Ok, this is fair enough..Thanks.

I might just find it pathetic to be covert and weak in ones daily life, constantly being anxious and a social loser. But I guess that is just me

You're the only extrovert (and overt narcissist) on this thread so far. Being introverted and anxious doesn't mean you're a social loser, I've learned to fake it and can seem like the most extroverted person in the room.

I'll have to rummage through those and find out what I said I was before I know what position I take in this thread...

I see you had a change of heart with ravens as well..
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If anything, I wasn't at all surprised with your infj result, especially after you mentioned "bpd core" earlier. (scientifically irrelevant 'n based solely on personal experience and intuition, Mid, yes)

this is what i see basically from people in the forum that i have notice triggered easily.i can clearly see their inferiority complex more than with an overt.
the 7.they are not confident but they are entitled . is basically how you are close minded and without charm. "the whole don't talk to me unless "shows their inferiority complex.
akuma actually doesn't annoy me though. i think is nice to talk to him from the few posts that i have seen.
https://goodmenproject.com/sex-relationships/six-signs-youre-shy-covert-narcissist-dg/

julllia wrote:this is what i see basically from people in the forum that i have notice triggered easily.i can clearly see their inferiority complex more than with an overt.
the 7.they are not confident but they are entitled . is basically how you are close minded and without charm. "the whole don't talk to me unless "shows their inferiority complex.
akuma actually doesn't annoy me though. i think is nice to talk to him from the few posts that i have seen.

The more effort you make to learn about people and their motivation for doing things, the less annoying they become. It does take an active effort, though.

shanzeek wrote:I never claim my opinion is an objective truth, I simply state my own observation and beliefs, as constantly referencing other people's work seems like a lack of critical mind to me. I can see how it feels safer to back up every possible claim with a research paper, but sometimes using common sense is enough. I don't mind people proving me wrong as I benefit from it more than they do.

I think you are far from the truth there Shanzeek. I do not know what type of graduation you have/currently in, but at university (where the most critical of thinkers reside) there is a constant learning of having a critical mind to everything that is being said WITHOUT valid scientific evidence to back up your claim.

I would find your comments critical if they were backed up by a theory, a scientific model, a scientific peer-reviewed article. The critical mind isn't the one refuting other peoples work, that is literally the uncritical mind. Common examples of that is the anti-vaccine movement, and conspiracy theorists. They act and think from their own stand point instead of asking a question, and seeking evidence that support their question/claim.

This is what most on here lack, and why I end up debating with a lot of you. Not just you, but a lot of the users here take pop psychology articles that is a second hand source of information, and second hand sources is often misinterpreted sources of information. Furthermore, some articles want to press an agenda, which can color the real evidence to fit into things like political schemes, or it can be understood with a lot of logical fallacies by the second hand source, which then reports something incorrect (Yeah, I'm looking at you vegan people).

shanzeek wrote:You're the only extrovert (and overt narcissist) on this thread so far. Being introverted and anxious doesn't mean you're a social loser, I've learned to fake it and can seem like the most extroverted person in the room

My disorder also plays a role in this. If you are not socially dominant, my brain will most likely interpret that as inferiority, which turns into devaluation. The people that come here and claim to be affected with narcissism, yet has the audacity to emphasise and be in cohesion constantly, is most likely not disordered. PDs are all-invasive, and that also comes into play even on forums.... Which might be why I've gotten 3 strikes so far

I'll however give you props Shanzeek. You seem to get to know how to handle my "attacks" more and more

@shazneek I don't want to put effort.Why would i put effort for a person like that?? I am interested and infatuated with charm,with people that have it. Not with people who are annoying. Also i would avoid them in real life and i wouldn't want to be their psychologist either i would throw them out. My main curiosity is my aunt,this is why i look for it and compare. Emotional reason probably. And people in my personal life.
And for people in my personal life when i understood them,the resentment didn't go away. But everything made more sense.but i would avoid them too.
I also got infatuated with a bpd because i tried to understand him. But at the end i think i was just plain stupid because he was so hot. The same attitudes from my aunt were obnoxious .

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I have no motivation to want to charm them in other words. They kind of repulse me.

I have no motivation to stroke their ego unless i gain something. They are useless to me in that sense.

What do you gain? I don't see it. To learn how to manipulate your boyfriend maybe lol

In my own personal experiences with people I know who are narcissistic - all extroverted sensors. Most common in ESTX.

Midwinter wrote:I think you are far from the truth there Shanzeek. I do not know what type of graduation you have/currently in, but at university (where the most critical of thinkers reside) there is a constant learning of having a critical mind to everything that is being said WITHOUT valid scientific evidence to back up your claim.

I would find your comments critical if they were backed up by a theory, a scientific model, a scientific peer-reviewed article. The critical mind isn't the one refuting other peoples work, that is literally the uncritical mind. Common examples of that is the anti-vaccine movement, and conspiracy theorists. They act and think from their own stand point instead of asking a question, and seeking evidence that support their question/claim.

I don't refute other people's work, I use other people's work to confirm or annul a (I guess you can call it-) hypothesis that comes straight from my own mind. By having a critical mind I mean doing your own personal "research" and observation, collecting your own data and finding patterns in behaviour that you then later compare to professional research in order to confirm/deny it.

I think your "critical mind" is missing the part where you have your own authentic assumptions/idea based on your own observation/research, you're simply copying and repeating other people's conclusions. By relying so much on other people's work, by playing it safe, you seem to avoid thinking with your own head, and both is necessary for having a "critical mind", imho.

You tend to hide a bit, Mid. Behind a disorder, or labels, or acclaimed work. Fearing negative critique is a part of NPD, so I understand it. I also do it often (but dislike it in myself), that's why I can recognize it in another, I guess.

I'll however give you props Shanzeek. You seem to get to know how to handle my "attacks" more and more

Years of training with my ex.

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julllia wrote:@shazneek I don't want to put effort.Why would i put effort for a person like that?? I am interested and infatuated with charm,with people that have it. Not with people who are annoying. Also i would avoid them in real life and i wouldn't want to be their psychologist either i would throw them out.

Nobody's the bad guy in their own head, everybody has an explanation, a motivation, for doing what they're doing. I like to occassionally put myself in shoes of another that catches my attention and see what it is that's making them so annoying to me or other people. There is always a reason. You might not want to bother with putting an effort and finding the reason out, but it does exist. It doesn't mean the reason will justify their behaviour, but still I like to know it.

Also, things that annoy us in others are too often our own traits that we dislike and then project.

Btw, how exactly do you define charm? Why is charm so important to you?