NPD Survey - Introverted MBTI

Study for NPD individuals and introverted MBTI personality types.

Narcissists isn't I. That is more like antisocial.

They express more E. For example, I am ENTP-A.

Midwinter wrote:Narcissists isn't I. That is more like antisocial.

They express more E. For example, I am ENTP-A.

Covert narcissists are usually INTJ.

shanzeek wrote:

Midwinter wrote:Narcissists isn't I. That is more like antisocial.

They express more E. For example, I am ENTP-A.

Covert narcissists are usually INTJ.

The only difference between the covert and the overt is the way they express their narcissism. Covert doesn't mean they are introverted. That is not an integrated part of covert NPD. Introversion is a part of the personality, not the personality disorder itself.

How are you going to get your admiration if you are not excessively seeking social interaction to mirror in? Then it more sounds like an affective disorder or BPD rather than NPD.

Midwinter wrote:

shanzeek wrote:
Covert narcissists are usually INTJ.

The only difference between the covert and the overt is the way they express their narcissism. Covert doesn't mean they are introverted. That is not an integrated part of covert NPD. Introversion is a part of the personality, not the personality disorder itself.

How are you going to get your admiration if you are not excessively seeking social interaction to mirror in? Then it more sounds like an affective disorder or BPD rather than NPD.

I’m introverted, so I like to be alone most of the time. However, when I go out in public, I will seek admiration. I tend to admire myself most of the time though, as I don’t need other people to tell me I’m great; I already know I’m great, so why have someone tell me something I know? But that’s just me, I suppose.

Midwinter wrote:How are you going to get your admiration if you are not excessively seeking social interaction to mirror in? Then it more sounds like an affective disorder or BPD rather than NPD.

Old threads from this forum disagree:
https://www.psychforums.com/narcissistic-personality/topic144250.html
https://www.psychforums.com/narcissistic-personality/topic124403.html

From the observations I've made, covert narcissists narrow down their "supply" circle, they focus on seeking supply from few well respected (adjective depending on type of supply) individuals and ignore the rest, since it's draining their energy away.

Midwinter wrote:The only difference between the covert and the overt is the way they express their narcissism. Covert doesn't mean they are introverted. That is not an integrated part of covert NPD. Introversion is a part of the personality, not the personality disorder itself.

How are you going to get your admiration if you are not excessively seeking social interaction to mirror in? Then it more sounds like an affective disorder or BPD rather than NPD.

Well first of all the MBTI is #######4. Its not an evidence-based method, nor does it have any decriptive power. So if theres a problem with the OPs question, then there it is.
Secondly though CNPD is quite different from NPD. I just woke up so no detailed explanaton from me, but basically there is three things to consider.
First of all narcissism is not what its called like, its called NPD, so its not at all about admiration or egocentrism, but about the [existence of the] grandiose-self. Secondly allt eh existign studies point towards that defining characteristics of CNPD is introversion, scial phobia, social avoidance etc. Thirdly, CNPD deoes not need admiration. This last point is interesting in so far as it directly points to one of the many problems in defining narcissistic pathology, because the existing theoretical CNPD framework is based on the theory of fixation in the narcissistic stage, not so much on the idea that a young child reassembled a self out of superlative subject/object constructs as a defense against psychotic breakdown. Just that in CNPD, the amount of repressed and suppressed structure of the grandiose-self is much bigger, so basicaly you don't allow yourself the good stuff, which makes you more depressed and empty, but you cant allow it to you in a healthy way, because you are imprisoned in the black/white castle. Supposedly in CNPD there is also a chagne in cathexis, in so far as where the GNPD has a cathexis of the grandiose-self ther eis in CNPD a cathexis of the perfect-object. In my case for example I always had the idea of being one with people I fell in love with, them being like little parts of me, which was teh number one reason considered myself to be CNPD, because narcissistic pathology was the only illness where stuff liek this happened.
For more detailled reference, I linked the excerpts from bok by Ralph Klein "CLoset Narcissism" on the forum some time ago, maybe google for it, it contrasts BPD/NPD/CNPD.

shanzeek wrote:

Midwinter wrote:How are you going to get your admiration if you are not excessively seeking social interaction to mirror in? Then it more sounds like an affective disorder or BPD rather than NPD.

Old threads from this forum disagree:
https://www.psychforums.com/narcissistic-personality/topic144250.html
https://www.psychforums.com/narcissistic-personality/topic124403.html

From the observations I've made, covert narcissists narrow down their "supply" circle, they focus on seeking supply from few well respected (adjective depending on type of supply) individuals and ignore the rest, since it's draining their energy away.

For f#ck sake, do not equal personal testiomony with factual evidence. Just because some people that think they have NPD is introverted, it doesn't automaticly create causality. Low level of thinking.

I found an interesting article for you that backs up your claim however (see, I am not cherry picking evidence). The article is from the Institute of Personality Assesment and Research at University of California. You can go read it here: http://scottbarrykaufman.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/08/Two-faces-of-Narcissism.pdf

Akuma wrote:

Midwinter wrote:The only difference between the covert and the overt is the way they express their narcissism. Covert doesn't mean they are introverted. That is not an integrated part of covert NPD. Introversion is a part of the personality, not the personality disorder itself.

How are you going to get your admiration if you are not excessively seeking social interaction to mirror in? Then it more sounds like an affective disorder or BPD rather than NPD.

Well first of all the MBTI is #######4. Its not an evidence-based method, nor does it have any decriptive power. So if theres a problem with the OPs question, then there it is.
Secondly though CNPD is quite different from NPD. I just woke up so no detailed explanaton from me, but basically there is three things to consider.
First of all narcissism is not what its called like, its called NPD, so its not at all about admiration or egocentrism, but about the [existence of the] grandiose-self. Secondly allt eh existign studies point towards that defining characteristics of CNPD is introversion, scial phobia, social avoidance etc. Thirdly, CNPD deoes not need admiration. This last point is interesting in so far as it directly points to one of the many problems in defining narcissistic pathology, because the existing theoretical CNPD framework is based on the theory of fixation in the narcissistic stage, not so much on the idea that a young child reassembled a self out of superlative subject/object constructs as a defense against psychotic breakdown. Just that in CNPD, the amount of repressed and suppressed structure of the grandiose-self is much bigger, so basicaly you don't allow yourself the good stuff, which makes you more depressed and empty, but you cant allow it to you in a healthy way, because you are imprisoned in the black/white castle. Supposedly in CNPD there is also a chagne in cathexis, in so far as where the GNPD has a cathexis of the grandiose-self ther eis in CNPD a cathexis of the perfect-object. In my case for example I always had the idea of being one with people I fell in love with, them being like little parts of me, which was teh number one reason considered myself to be CNPD, because narcissistic pathology was the only illness where stuff liek this happened.
For more detailled reference, I linked the excerpts from bok by Ralph Klein "CLoset Narcissism" on the forum some time ago, maybe google for it, it contrasts BPD/NPD/CNPD.

I might just find it pathetic to be covert and weak in ones daily life, constantly being anxious and a social loser. But I guess that is just me

Covert NPD to me sound like a sissy little b#tch that wants to be NPD so bad. Oh well.

shanzeek wrote:

Midwinter wrote:How are you going to get your admiration if you are not excessively seeking social interaction to mirror in? Then it more sounds like an affective disorder or BPD rather than NPD.

Old threads from this forum disagree:
https://www.psychforums.com/narcissistic-personality/topic144250.html
https://www.psychforums.com/narcissistic-personality/topic124403.html

I'll have to rummage through those and find out what I said I was before I know what position I take in this thread...

Midwinter wrote:I might just find it pathetic to be covert and weak in ones daily life, constantly being anxious and a social loser. But I guess that is just me

Covert NPD to me sound like a sissy little b#tch that wants to be NPD so bad. Oh well.

Well it wouldnt go thru Midwinter-Quality-Management like that I suppose, but its basically what CNPD is about from the outside, a sissy, afraid bitch .
That also makes it ather impossible tho for people who come here and are like "Hey I'm covert" to even remotely know if they are, because obviously depression, social anxiety, avoidant disorder etc. are all pretty damn close to it.
Why that's the case tho is hard to say. Masterson and Co would probably say ok the CNPD is blocked in the natural progression but unlike the grandiose one has chosen to hide this and is afraid to show it, and has become a kidn of slave to an outside entity, while the grandiose one is a slave in a different way, but rather blocks this but shows the arrested narcissism instead. Others might say that your "sissy little bitch" is actually behidn the GNPD, too, and they just protect well against it - I think this was in Given-Wilsons articles on "Metacognitive Difficulties in NPD and CNPD", but I have the lazies too much atm to look for it.