NPD Survey - Introverted MBTI

shanzeek wrote:

I'll have to rummage through those and find out what I said I was before I know what position I take in this thread...

I see you had a change of heart with ravens as well..
( )
If anything, I wasn't at all surprised with your infj result, especially after you mentioned "bpd core" earlier. (scientifically irrelevant 'n based solely on personal experience and intuition, Mid, yes)

to the best of my recollection I didn't post in either of those threads, it was a rhetorical comment meant to infer that opinions in this thread would divide down lines of personal identity.
As for the Raven iconography, I think we will can agree that the stock raven images left something to be desired. "Quoth" as it happens is just the discworld character, I generally favour usernames borrowed from literary or mythological characters.

I think you may have got the wrong end of the stick in regards to a BPD core, or I explained it badly. What the psychologist was actually referencing was this: https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4165723/
that EPCACE runs within a hair's breadth of most personality disorders but that diagnosis is a clinical decision based upon experience of these conditions. This is the intuitive aspect of medicine, the ability to distinguish by experience different presentations of various pathologies. His point was that while from a structural standpoint OCPD, PPD and BPD could be utilised to describe my personality, from a clinical standpoint this could not be the case as in as much as I might resemble those concepts from one angle I completely contradict them from another. An analogy could be made for the emotional dysregulation seen in both bipolar disorder and borderline personality disorder, two traits which on paper look remarkably similar but are actually surprisingly distinct in reality for anyone with experience with both conditions. In this case EPCACE will actually be pushing my thinking/feeling ratio in the opposite direction due to the extensive denial, supression and dissociation from my emotions that I utilise. It is also probably worth remembering what we get here is not so much a rounded impression of a person but a series of snapshots into their own inner monologue. I would imagine both midwinter and akuma are radically different in real life from how we perceive them here. From my perspective as I've said before people like julllia appear more BPD than BPD and yourself definitely has some similarities with CNPD, but I'm not in any position to say wether this is the case in reality.

On the subject of critical thinking, I wanted to say that this is a fine tool for use in regards to personal belief or some form of theology, however unfortunately it is often used as a smokescreen behind which opinion is portrayed as fact.

A fundamental concept in epistemology and in particular public discourse is burden of proof, exemplified by the Latin legal maxim "Onus probandi incumbit ei qui dicit, no ei qui negat", it is incumbent upon he who affirms to prove his case, not he who denies to disprove it. Equally a fundamental part of critical analysis is the comparison of evidence which I think is what Middie is referring to here, that personal opinion and observation do not hold much weight when compared to academic research in his opinion.

Quoth wrote:
to the best of my recollection I didn't post in either of those threads

You didn't, they're ancient. I realize it was a rhetorical c, I did think it was a bit more along the inconsistency lines that you were once "accused" of, though , hence the change of heart comment..

I think you may have got the wrong end of the stick in regards to a BPD core, or I explained it badly.

You only mentioned it briefly earlier.

It is also probably worth remembering what we get here is not so much a rounded impression of a person but a series of snapshots into their own inner monologue. I would imagine both midwinter and akuma are radically different in real life from how we perceive them here.

True. Perhaps not radically dif.

A fundamental concept in epistemology and in particular public discourse is burden of proof, exemplified by the Latin legal maxim "Onus probandi incumbit ei qui dicit, no ei qui negat", it is incumbent upon he who affirms to prove his case, not he who denies to disprove it. Equally a fundamental part of critical analysis is the comparison of evidence which I think is what Middie is referring to here, that personal opinion and observation do not hold much weight when compared to academic research in his opinion.

Did I say somewhere that personal opinion and observation is in any way similar to or should be compared to academic research? I simply stated that personal observation should exist in an individual, c/pasting other people's papers purely to gain supply and win the argument, instead of learning from it is easily spotted later on (or on page 1), in discussions where no acclaimed papers are available to prove a point.
Personal observations are insufficient and incomplete, basically useless for anything other than personal growth, I agree, but are rarely in complete contrast with academic research the way Mid's initial statement was. Without papers to google and paste, he'd be very lost.
I realize we come from two completely different worlds, my being very far from scientific, but in my world people only recycling already established thoughts and not offering originality, an authentic idea, pov, or approach, are pretty much considered useless.

This could have gone without a Latin proverb, Quoth..

Quoth wrote:r, two traits which on paper look remarkably similar but are actually surprisingly distinct in reality for anyone with experience with both conditions..

i agree with this. so basically except years of studying and academic research you need experience too.
is similar with street smart vs someone educated. sometimes you need both qualities to make a conclusion lol
compassion and support and sharing experiences though doesn't need years of academic research.and this forum is not to diagnose others

Quoth wrote:"Quoth" as it happens is just the discworld character, I generally favour usernames borrowed from literary or mythological characters.

Skipped this one.
It's still a wordplay with Poe's quoth the raven, just by T.P., while naming a character?
My nickname was initially a hyena from Lion King (Shenzi), how it got this deformed, I have no idea. Probably due to the fact I never planned on staying in this place. My other nicknames have at least a capital first letter.

i have the most meh name because i didn't plan to post more than once lol.and thought "just put something whatever quickly.i can't deal with your indecisiveness" it was july or something,i was thinking of july. why did i end up positng so much lol.
i ussually want to put song names as first thought. such characters would be cool too.
i keep thinking too : quoth the raven "nevermore". this is why i like it. is the most classic associasion

-- Sun Nov 26, 2017 6:16 am --

"The Raven, although it flat-out refuses to say "Nevermore"

julllia wrote: "The Raven, although it flat-out refuses to say "Nevermore"

I am probably reading into this way too much, but my subconscious connected this with Quoth's explanation of "never again mentality" when describing C-PTSD..(My brain is it seems wired to make these sorts of connections whether I want it or not..)

shanzeek wrote:

Quoth wrote:
to the best of my recollection I didn't post in either of those threads

You didn't, they're ancient. I realize it was a rhetorical c, I did think it was a bit more along the inconsistency lines that you were once "accused" of, though , hence the change of heart comment..

I'll pretend that I thought deeply enough about that comment to have meant that too.

It is also probably worth remembering what we get here is not so much a rounded impression of a person but a series of snapshots into their own inner monologue. I would imagine both midwinter and akuma are radically different in real life from how we perceive them here.

True. Perhaps not radically dif.

I would swear this comment has been changed.

Did I say somewhere that personal opinion and observation is in any way similar to or should be compared to academic research? I simply stated that personal observation should exist in an individual, c/pasting other people's papers purely to gain supply and win the argument, instead of learning from it is easily spotted later on (or on page 1), in discussions where no acclaimed papers are available to prove a point.
Personal observations are insufficient and incomplete, basically useless for anything other than personal growth, I agree, but are rarely in complete contrast with academic research the way Mid's initial statement was. Without papers to google and paste, he'd be very lost.
I realize we come from two completely different worlds, my being very far from scientific, but in my world people only recycling already established thoughts and not offering originality, an authentic idea, pov, or approach, are pretty much considered useless.

This could have gone without a Latin proverb, Quoth..

I'm saying this is where I'm thinking Midwinter is coming from, not that you're wrong.

On a personal level I think it's half and half, knowledge without perspective is just facts but perspective without knowledge is just waffle.

The Latin is a habit I picked up off another admin as it's a handy way to deal with the more difficult forum users because it allows you to transmit a lot of information fast without having to get drawn into a pissing contest as to the why.

shanzeek wrote:I am probably reading into this way too much, but my subconscious connected this with Quoth's explanation of "never again mentality" when describing C-PTSD..(My brain is it seems wired to make these sorts of connections whether I want it or not..)

it is a spoof of poe's bird, that's not a bad connection. I began using carrion bird iconography after an aborted attempt to commit suicide when I was 16, I dragged myself out of the house and out into the countryside because I was going to be damned if i'd die in that cage. Anyway I meant to open a blood vessel but I ended up watching the rooks or jackdaw's circle like they were waiting for me to kick the bucket. I said something jokingly to them like "I'm not dead yet" and realised how much I really wasn't done yet, it was a sort of psychological turning of the tide in my recovery. I guess in a way I've always felt a fraternity with them, being difficult to like, often misunderstood and always having one foot in death. They also represent the world as it is without artifice. Silly as that sounds.

are neither of you going to tell us your own MBTI types?

I would swear this comment has been changed.

Yes. I remembered this is NPD-research-papers-n-objectivity-forum and my question had no relevance to NPD, it was only to my own amusement, so I removed it.

Mine? I am infj.
I can make f/t 50:50 but is not honestly what i want . is more depressive me. If i turn to t.
I have a friend who is intj. I don't think she is a narcissist.
But we keep talking how we don't understand why others like that social stuff.traditions and family gatherings etc. She is not like everyone around me,especially when we talk. I asked her and said something similar about the t/f.but i can see she is wayyy more cold than me.
The trap that i understand how and why 2 pds end up together is usually that both have similar pain.
I have another friend that i think she is codependent and narcissistic traits. But i can't ask her type
But she doesn't seem intj. She seems exfp something if i guess. I could be so wrong though

I once worked with a girl that was condescending, kept getting upset if anyone implied she was wrong and attack you with passive aggression.
She was nice and then she had random honesty moments were you could see she hated others. and that was nothing like my friends. Probably she was harmless. But who can have that as friend.without being annoyed.
My friend who i think is codependent is very giving but tries to control you with it subconsciously and gets upset if you don't revolve your life around her or don't like same things as her but she doesn't get passive aggressive and she doesn't get upset when she is wrong.she has history with assholes

-- Mon Nov 27, 2017 12:46 pm --

I wonder what is the one and what the other.