Does singer Morrissey seem like a Narcissist?

Interviews:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lGyucALxVNY
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HZDI4PIq8_s

He does. I've posted about him before. He's got that messianic bent that high level Codependents have. I'd say it's the Irish in him! Others of his particular species would be Russell Brand, Tony Blair, John Lennon, Teal Swan and Ghandi.

"We hate it when our friends become successful
And if they're northern, that makes it even worse

And if we can destroy them
You bet your life we will destroy them
If we can hurt them
Well, we may as well, it's really laughable"

He insisted that Penguin publish his autobiography as modern literature.

I've long found Morrissey a very intriguing person, and liked a lot of his songs. I only watched the second video to a little past 4 minutes, but he looks excruciatingly awkward. He may be a narc, or very close to it, but the thing is, as with all narcs, he has his complexity. I'm too schizoid and introverted to ever be able to undergo those kind of interviews, but I guess he's developed some skill with them. Still, I wonder if it's hell to always have to be so clever with people, to constantly have to put on a witty performance. He looks pretty uncomfortable, and if he's a narc, that itself is very much a part of his narcissism. I don't think the people who interview him, or his adoring fans, really know how awkward he feels, and as he's gotten older, it's probably gotten worse. I wonder if he might start going into seclusion.

There is nothing like an adoring audience to stabilise the ego. Of late he seems to have gone into self destruct mode with some ill conceived pronouncements. He needs to be rescued from himself, I feel!

Absolutely not. Morrissey is not a narcissist. It is clear as day he has an avoidant personality disorder.

Arcata1 wrote:Absolutely not. Morrissey is not a narcissist. It is clear as day he has an avoidant personality disorder.

He certainly sung from the POV of an avoidant in the beginning of his career, but can huge success, sudden wealth, and worldwide adulation (he wasn't always seen as an annoying overly outspoken jerk) cure or at least temper AVPD?

Can power, or in Morrissey's case, success give rise to narcissistic traits?

Oblivion wrote:

Arcata1 wrote:Absolutely not. Morrissey is not a narcissist. It is clear as day he has an avoidant personality disorder.

He certainly sung from the POV of an avoidant in the beginning of his career, but can huge success, sudden wealth, and worldwide adulation (he wasn't always seen as an annoying overly outspoken jerk) cure or at least temper AVPD?

Can power, or in Morrissey's case, success give rise to narcissistic traits?

Just my opinion but i think it would be incredibly difficult almost impossible for someone with a true Avpd to be in the spot light and be a star id think they would avoid it like the plague.

Grandiosity in narcissists can ebb and flow surge and fall along with the self esteem of the narcissist. If they think they are doing something special they may be over the top obnoxious but if they feel like a failure they may appear more avoidant. I think it’s Elinor Greenberg who calls it a disorder of the self esteem

Grayskull wrote:Just my opinion but i think it would be incredibly difficult almost impossible for someone with a true Avpd to be in the spot light and be a star id think they would avoid it like the plague.

Yup. Someone with AvPD would definitely avoid drawing attention to themselves. I've been on a stage to deliver a thankyou to someone in front of a hall full of people, tripped over my words and hated every moment of being up there. Did it because the person really deserved the recognition and thanks for going above and beyond for me, but I couldn't get off that stage fast enough.

Almost every music performance I ever did (I was never facing the audience directly), even though I love my music, I always hated being the one at the centre of attention. I desperately wanted to hide or blend into the background- or not be up there. It was easier accompanying another musician, but as a soloist or front and centre, nope. Would be freaking out the whole time.