Narcissism has a cure

memme23 wrote:there is a cure!

there are diferent cases of narcissism

but if your narcissist parent, is receptive to new things
you can tell him the cure, it is self awareness meditation

there are lots of kinds of narcissism but i will put the cure for the one with most

first, let me put my learnings

desire and fear Always attract each other

if i was to put narcissism in a briefly explanation, i would say it is simple fear of being self aware

that can be caused by this desire thing, the person have the desire of running from his feelings, thoughts and own mind and that creates desire of being non self-aware

there are lots of kinds of narcissist, as you know, what i meant about this kinds is that some have the desire to run from feelings,mind and thought not because of heavy bagage, but escapism , delusion ,greedy

it makes sense right?

but the great thing is, every narcissist, who is not wanting to be cured, only suffers from ignorance on that point, because 1- there is a cure 2- narcissism is suffering, do we need insights on that? i think every sane person can find how it is suffering

cure is>> reflection on this desire-fear and self aware meditation

thanks and that cured me!

sorry . i was wrong

eddit "

Pathological narcissism is a reaction to prolonged abuse and trauma in early childhood or early adolescence. The source of the abuse or trauma is immaterial - the perpetrators could be parents, teachers, other adults, or peers. Pampering, smothering, spoiling, and "engulfing" the child are also forms of abuse.

In an abusive environment, the child finds it difficult to assert his personal boundaries, to separate from his parents, and to individuate. Consequently, it chooses either of two solutions: to internalize and introject the abuser (to become a monster), thereby siding with the strong and winning party – or to remain a child forever, thus securing empathy, compassion, and pity in a heartless, hostile universe. The typical narcissist is unusual in that it chooses to adopt both solutions at once and is, therefore, simultaneously a monster and a child."


maybe narcissisim is fear

that steams from a trauma

because i did have some...

my father was abusive in a way i was insecure and he was heartless

reflecting on that i think i have to work on trauma because i feel some tension on my arms

but i dont believe in an uncurable narcissism

the thing was i just let go of fear for some time, for some reason(i think it was the intent of stop being someone who cause others harm), and i was really in a non-narcissist state . then some things happened, and my fears from trauma were back

for a lot of time i used to be a covert narcissist, and this is very stressful haha, but yesterday i realized

i dont think i was a narcissist before this traumas

i was a generous child, in a compassive way , i remember, without distorcing things

when i was a younger teenager i used to smile a lot with my friends, then i came back from a vacation in wich i did otoplasty surgery, and abuse ocurred in that time, very Strong emotional experience and i had social anxiety first day school, covert narcissist? days were very stressful

i think them, that narcissism is only fear, a fear that steams from cowardice or egoism, and that are very intense because of traumas

because i did experience non-narcissism some hours ago

this things that happened is that past that came to mind


now my mind state is different from that one that tiped the last paragraphs
i remember why i wasnt a narcissist in this hour of the past
it is because fearlessness came to my mind

but in this exact momment after i post that it was because of fearlessness, fear was born

maybe the key on understanding this fear, that narcissism probally is is to find the pattern of thoughts and mind decisions that lead to this fear

is it being too egoist? to worry too much with own self?

and i didnt felt fear in this last instant momments of last phrase xD

now i think i have the answer to narcissism , it is the pattern of thoughts that a lot of fear arise from, fear that are intense due to traumatic events
narcissism is excess of self-promotion then?

now i believe it was a deficiency on the heart chakra

that only increases with the lack of love people have with narcissists

Traumas and Addictions: rejection, abandonment, loss, shaming, constant criticism, abuses to lower chakras, unacknowledged grief, divorce, death, conditional love, loveless environment, sexual and physical abuse, betrayal
HEALING STRATEGY: Self-discovery, codependency work, forgiveness, inner child work, work with arms, reaching out, taking in, breathing exercise

AFFIRMATIONS:

I freely and easily give and receive love. Totally forgive others and myself for all past errors and judgments.

I am worthy of love.

I am loving to myself and others.

There is an infinite supply of love.

I live in balance with others.

i think i was not really a narcissist all this time
i just saw a vídeo were a person were codependent and extremely self-centered and that hurt my heart because im too open minded and intuitive and that makes me adopt others beliefs sometimes

the main characteristics of the person i saw was, she is codependent, but manipulate others causing them shame
normal reactions that would include anger were avoided by their viewers, causing them to view she as normal..

but maybe people look things from a reflection of themsemlves perspective and didnt realize what she really was

i repente for saying self awareness was good, because the ignorance of believing being a separate entity can cause ignorance, and with ignorance comes lack of love and compassion

i hope you find answers and i apologyze

right now, i feel like a normal person with lots of anger

but hey, anger can be a compassionate thing

Truth too late wrote:

memme23 wrote:it makes sense right?

Maybe. Being self-aware is mostly de-gassing, coming back to earth. It makes a huge difference. But, there's still a lot more to it (the propensity to grandiosity, projecting, passive aggression). It's a constant job. It's an improvement (not a cure).

How did you come into your knowledge on the subject? What have you seen?

edit : i realized the cause of narcissism , it is really heart chakra closure, it is cause by fear of others that is a kind of hate

because you view others as evil, you start fearing them and them this fear leads to lack of love

them narcissism is rooted in viewing others as loveable and unlovabe

because people fear others, they get attached to ideas that cause them feewlings of security over their fears, such as talking low , being harsh on others
this cause an addiction to this feelings, making narcissists search safeness in ego


if viewing people as narcissists is a reason to fear them, them it is doubtful that you that come here talking about narcissists is not a narcissist , in cover
because we cant label other beings as evil or good, since we are all emptiness in nature and things can change
should not view others as dangerous

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MeAgain wrote:Marilyn Monroe, Phyllis Hyman, Alan Turin and Anna Kerenina all found the cure!

Sorry! I haven't taken my medication today!

hahaha
i hadnt read your posts because i thought you would be judmental

do you guys agree that it is a disorder in heart chakra, caused by lack of love?
i mean, i was confused in this last posts , in this one i think i feel really good
was talking with my mother about narcissism , of course, she is a narcissists too
but the thing is that everyone are narcissists, since things change, you can atribute any other characteristics of other person to part of wich composse your nature as a living being
im not a narcissist . im emptiness and emptiness means things change
my mother is not lacking in self awareness, not lack compassion really and she is not a narcissist in this very momment

lack of love comes from this very belief, that there are people who are evil, and since evil is dangerous there is a lot of hate , this gradually close heart energy
we have to let go of discriminating love
by believing people are evil we view them as unable to be happy
and that can be called hate
those people we view as evil, that we fear , we should be able to love
and understand it is only a condition that arise from ignorance, fear, desire
and it is not who they really are

memme23 wrote:

Truth too late wrote:

memme23 wrote:it makes sense right?

Maybe. Being self-aware is mostly de-gassing, coming back to earth. It makes a huge difference. But, there's still a lot more to it (the propensity to grandiosity, projecting, passive aggression). It's a constant job. It's an improvement (not a cure).

How did you come into your knowledge on the subject? What have you seen?

edit : i realized the cause of narcissism , it is really heart chakra closure, it is cause by fear of others that is a kind of hate

because you view others as evil, you start fearing them and them this fear leads to lack of love

I think it's more complicated than that. I see it as thinking oneself larger than they are, entitled to more than others. This implies others are a threat, which could lead to painting someone black and "evil" (I guess). But, it's more of a system.

But, you're right, it's also very simple in some ways. When I became self-aware, just trying to see others as autonomous individuals fighting their own battles helped me a lot. I mean, simply recognizing the byproducts of my "system" was a huge relief, I felt like a different person when I could recognize the emotions that occur, why they occur, etc.

I would say it's an awareness, an improvement. But, not a cure. I believe pathological narcissism is a developmental issue (partly genetic, partly environment) which can't be re-developed no more than the effects of malnutrition in childhood can be corrected with more vitamins/ minerals as an adult. It's something that's accepted and worked with. But, I agree that it's immensely better than unawareness. It sometimes has felt like a cure (by comparison).

Did you used to be @rein800? That member posted something very similar awhile ago. I replied there with my thoughts about chakras (naturopathic therapy). I think there's something to it, but I wouldn't put all my eggs in one basket -- especially something that isn't science (which goes for psychology too. There are people who've cycled through a dozen therapists before getting the diagnosis they felt they needed.).

My personal belief is that none of this is cold, affectless science. I think a personal realization is necessary as well (something like being "born again," a change of heart as you describe it).

Yesterday I was saw The Man Who Captured Eichmann about the Israeli capture of Adolf Eichmann in Argentina. It really bothered me for hours. While being held/hidden in an apartment until his captors could find a way to extract him, he and a captor spoke a lot about his role in the Holocaust. It's not my intention to diminish what happened by saying this, but I identified with him to some extent, the way he rationalized it, minimized his role. I felt like that's the way I had been when I rationalized how I treated others, the almost deliberate self-serving blindness to it. The lack of connection to other persons. It seemed to me like the realization I had was the one he needed to have. (But, mine was my own personal relationship holocaust.).

Anyway, I think you're simplifying the disorder. You'll probably catch flak for suggesting there is a "cure." But, I agree with you in other ways.

not wanting to be aware of thoughts can be very stressfull

we are not our mind, being a narcissist doesnt mean one isnt a person who try their best or have the intent of being altruistic

i think this lack of connection comes from not being aware of the needs of the heart of believing in a future without suffering? (love , compassion)
when we live like that we become very dark

i view myself as narcissitical in the moment, but if narcissim is not curable, you can definely develop love to the point where you connect to others, and is trully altruistic

they Always relate narcissism to ego, but because i was a narcissist i tried to change the definition of narcissim in the past ignoring this things

but that is in a past before i knew i was in cover

right now, i dont feel narcissitical
have you read about ego? it is the feeling of being a separate self

this separate self do a lot of things that enter the narcissim

i was rein800 hahaha but i was just so arrogant

right now, i dont feel narcissit

but that can be a delusion


but i insist in the idea narcissism is fear of others, associated with closed heart chakra, ego and addiction to bad habits that comforts fear in a false way

i feel tightness in chest

i guarantee i wasnt a narcissist all this time

it came back when i was considering people as evil, starting to lose this love i had in the optmism
that everyone is able to be happy

therefore, gaining my love back would remove the tightness in chest and i dont imagine myself being a narcissist in this feeling

if the cause of narcissism is solar plexus imbalance

then meditating on the center of the chest might give some insights

i think narcissistss lack gut feelings and that is a evidence that narcissism is solar plexus

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memme23 wrote:i was rein800 hahaha but i was just so arrogant

I hope we didn't make you feel like you did something wrong. I didn't see anything.

memme23 wrote:but i insist in the idea narcissism is fear of others, associated with closed heart chakra, ego and addiction to bad habits that comforts fear in a false way

I don't think that's an inaccurate way to say it. But, I think there's more. I focus on some very specific things like pride/shame. I think it's an abundance of false pride on top of shame. I can see how false anger arises when someone touches the false pride. So, love would be the authentic response to authentic shame. I see your point about that kind of ying/yang stuff. (I call things like this Evil Zen because it's opposite of what I practiced. It has that karma effect on my mind.).

Did you ever look at EFT/Tapping? It involves chakras. It helps me. But, I don't know if it's just the "power of suggestion" (which is proven to work). It only works when you can state the source of the anxiety. (Like, "I can't fix the past, but that doesn't change what I know about myself and how I live in the present."). I'm not sure I'm just soothing myself with repeated assertions, or if there's something to the chakras. (I've never cared enough to try it both ways to see if I notice a difference.).

I'm not trying to contradict you. It might just be a different western vs. eastern mindset. It has to make sense to me, whereas you might get to the same place through guided meditation.

However, I think it's a deformed psychological structure that can't be made like new. Just improved using techniques like this. I hope you're cured. But, I don't think I can be. (But, knowing myself is immensely better than it was.).