Narcissism has a cure

madjoe wrote:once again the cure is pain and venerability
nps is your armor and weapon
who wants to go into a fight naked
npd is the cure for venerability

I agree with that too. I couldn't be honest enough with myself to accept what I do without falling off a very tall ivory pedestal.

Also, the word is vulnerability. I suffered from self-veneration.

because solar plexus is center of joy

having good self-esteem makes you empathetic joyful


i think we only fail to recognize our low self esteem , wich lie to ourselves, because when needs are not feed people become manipulative and manipulate people and situations
and this can include our own thoughts

but good self esteem is not pride, i dont know exactly what is, maybe feelings of being independent?


then low self esteem is the root and people even failed to claim a cure... hahaha

i think this is negligence with humanity



maybe narcissists have unique tendencies way but try to act normal?

this lowers self esteem for self rejection, deny of needs

for example i think i have the need to be accept in my unique form of communicating that is actually messy because i like it

then i get needy because i block my needs, every kind of bad ill is born froim the greed to get needs done

low self esteem etc

i ve been reading about living in the present momment, i think it makes the person forget the ego at least

but attending your needs and accepting your needs seems to be the cure to a kinder heart
that can not be considered narcissist

i also believe in astrology, maybe the EGO is the sun, and our zodiac sign shows our needs and desires


if you are a cancer, then solar plexus is somehow linked with being at peace in home

if you are a libra, to socialize with others in loving ways


im gemini, and i need to feel good about my unique communication ( mercury trine neptune)

but common what narcissist wouldnt like to study about his own past life karmas (natal chart)
and possibly find the cure to self esteem

and become a joyful person


if you post your natal chart i can say what i udnerstand xD

it will be fun i guess, but as i said natal chart is only the karma , doesnt refer to a ego

-- Mon Sep 21, 2015 8:59 pm --

mayybe we dont need to get cured on narcissism

but can develop respect
, saciate our desires

becoming a person who does no harm, because she does not suffer, does not like to see suffering
not bad

i think she can even be trully nice to others without thinking about oneself


or maybe,, there is no such things as narcissism and what we call narcissism is only people who suffer a lot for not saciating their needs and have low self esteem

are we really meant to have empath? one can be a good person with good heart
if he eliminates his own suffering

narcissism seems healable but for some reason, if we choose empath, we feel anger or fear

now i dont think the problem is narcissism but low self esteem and other things that we call as narcissism

what if it is fear of leasing the self
fear of being floated and swallowed. fears of ego

most people wouldnt even think about that.. and most people have ego

so i think narcissists might simply only be more worrying than others


but i get delusional sometimes and get hooked into comfort zone of thoughts( cowardice might have developed)

that limits the use of what can be from great use

talking a lot do feed my mind with living in past pattern

and is much better to live in present, i even get considerate on others

but back in past i believe much of solar plexus chakra imbalance is the disposition to shame others

the moral moral mindset

ive became a coward

if narcissism is based on fear, if a person finds cure to fear, that is caused by craving

then i believe one is not a narcissist anymore


im a coward because i was disrespectful of the "moral moral atitud e " that i had in my mind in the momment

i felt judged by others by claiming a cure in a so confident way but this was a reflection of my mind cravings

and men, it is health to claim cowardice

memme23 wrote: maybe we don't need to get cured on narcissism, but can develop respect, satiate our desires. becoming a person who does no harm, because she does not suffer, does not like to see suffering not bad

I think of it that way, like redirecting Chi energy. I think the biggest problem is for the disordered person to recognize they have energy which needs redirection, be aware of it's current state. Whatever way someone realizes that and becomes peaceful with their "dark side," balanced, etc., I think is good.

I keep expecting a poop storm to erupt over all this non-science stuff. But, I think it's good to consider all aspects. I had some strange things happen as I became aware. It seemed extra-sensory in a way. But, it could have simply been the scale of what I was realizing (after a life of running from it).

When did you identify with NPD? Have you seen a psychologist?

Truth too late wrote:

memme23 wrote: maybe we don't need to get cured on narcissism, but can develop respect, satiate our desires. becoming a person who does no harm, because she does not suffer, does not like to see suffering not bad

I think of it that way, like redirecting Chi energy. I think the biggest problem is for the disordered person to recognize they have energy which needs redirection, be aware of it's current state. Whatever way someone realizes that and becomes peaceful with their "dark side," balanced, etc., I think is good.

I keep expecting a poop storm to erupt over all this non-science stuff. But, I think it's good to consider all aspects. I had some strange things happen as I became aware. It seemed extra-sensory in a way. But, it could have simply been the scale of what I was realizing (after a life of running from it).

When did you identify with NPD? Have you seen a psychologist?

i did in the start of spring

i think there is an energy boost thing in spring in wich people put their thoughts at work

i believe because my mother didnt took care of her greed, ignorance, the fruits the spring gave was bad

basically, if she had took care of her greed,ignorance, her ego wouldnt gone Needy for being rejected by others
than she wouldnt had be so evident as a narcissist

narcissism is fear of empath due to attachment to sadomasochism

cravings and fears are always together

fear and desire are 2 sides of the same coin

im cured

felt gratitude, love, and kindness to my mother


stopped being sadist due to great insight of my narcissist mother

that insisted in keeping silence at phone when i was talking, in a sadomasochist way
that made me understand

it is because she like to feel a victim (masochism) and because she idealizes sadism

im cured

things that helped> the kidney is the home of wisdom

when we have troubles of relationship, our kidneys go weak
and this cause fear and weak feelings in back



but now lets avaliate what leads to the idealization of sadomasochism or one separate

is it the lack of discerniment over other people actions? (since i felt cured in insights with my narcissistical mother)

that would be comprehended in subconscious mind, but denied in conscious making the person to adopt sadomasochism as a survival skill?

i think this involves the neediness of the ego wich is rejected , or incertain of safeness
that leads to idealization of victim or ' as source of validation of the survival-able" self that the ego searchs so desperately
including our needs in the surviving importances

so i think narcissism is about self-compassion but self compassion only comes with strong kidney, that only exists if ther isnt a feeling of relationship problems



edit : it is fun because truth too late dont like "non-science"

now i think narcissism is addiction to pride/ fear of shame / addiction to shame
/pride

not a sadist-masochist thing

we get so afraid of shame that we addict to pride

i think this is really the cure and i feel good reflection on that
makes narcissism go away from some time

but then come social interactions and i think ineed to develop a better sense of
skill in dealing with others because it makes me feel shame
and compassion temporarily protect me against this things

i feel non narcissistical but maybe a little tired from so much thinking


maybe this reflects our difficult to apologyze? fear of shame and addiction to
pride

i think we need to change our views of things

i at least think now that i feel i know the cause

it is easy to work on

but thinking about traumas make me in panic

calm, but with feeings of panic in my back

it is a lot of conjuct of memories that is the cause of narcissism

if it is fear of shame/ addiction to pride

a really traumatic experience , i think is one that i was so excited to go traveling with my friends but they were shities
and i felt alone and worthless
and there was this girl i was shy because i thought she was aware of me and liked her a little
and i was social awkard in this trip
this broke my innocent expectatives but i think it was only the trigger of this future feelings developing
my parents were much worse
my mother would abandon my needs to be respected as an autonomous growing person
father made me feel i was powerless with his pampering abuse

but using what you are addicted will cause indulgente ignorance


complaining is a trap for you guys

even if it feels adequateji


addiction to the delusion that would bring relief to fear of shame

addiction requires time

and when the drug is in on our own mind it is a chalenge to keep clean

and i feel good ^^

will not leave this in a leviane way
but work a lot to win overr my fear my delusions and the addiction

this way i can become more understandable of nature


and remember, in the beginning it feels trashy to abstain from addiction

there are a lot of other factors in narcissism

but in my case narcissism is addiction to delusion

that reliefs the fear of shame and being unloved

they were just so unsuportable thata i end up addicted to a cycle of continuos using of this drug
what are the reliefs that cause your addiction?


your narcissistical parents tried to show they cared because they were worried about their image
with overbearing?

than you good addicted to overbear in a way you manipulate others and keep getting this that you want

the fear of being unloved that you think overbearing is

i will use again of this kidney thing, i think relationship skills are the way to wisdom over our fears
and an essencial tool in understanding what kind is our narcissism

and empath is the way we get over

cravings are enemies, because they make our mind lazy and drowsy
now

narcissisim is addiction, not only of pride but things related to what they get on their negative actions

there might be narcissists who by not recognizing some needs get lost in addiction of bad actions, to avoid those needs that are being undone

for example, my mother suffers from narcissistical personality disorder (today i send an email sharing the cure, lets see) her addiction is pride, because she didnt respect my need of love ( narcissism dont care about yhour happiness im sorry, im sorry if you are a narcissist too and feel guilt about hurting others) i got into a addiction wich im sadic in a way i try to get this false relief of my despair

this was my second narcissism i faced today when my mother came get the link to the text i uploaded the internet for the cure on narcissism on herself and on my father ( im getting pretty confident about helping others )

i guess some fears can be so intense that if we face them we would get lost( in a exagerated way of expressing that)


i did self treatment with exercises of some new kind of qigoing associated with brainspotting
my usual locations of discomfort felt a lot better and i had an improviment in posture showing my body was in good health
but that doesnt matter

we have to face shame and other things to be cured

I just wanted to chime in about the whole "cure" thing. This wonderful post by Tom Crown (who went to therapy), explains the stages he went through. I do not believe anybody from the NPD forum is at stage 4 (Fighting back) right now. But some people seem to have reached stage 2 (Fear). As he mentioned though, some people are not interested in recovery, so this scale does not apply to them, they are simply "self-aware", and/or they might qualify for stage 1 as well (anger).

Tom Crown wrote:Realizing that one is a Narc is the same as realizing that something called "Sex" have been going around in the world for ages, and it is not, as you have previously thought, a religion , nor was it, as you sometimes guessed , a philosophy, but something totally different from that, and every body knows about it and enjoys it and you don't.

It is like realizing that you are blind, and that other people could see.

Of course, in the beginning, this realization is a terrible shock, especially for a person whose most valued possession is his exaggerated and glorified self-image. facing that amount of "humiliating ignorance" shocks you.

Thinking about it deeper, and realizing what being a Narc really means, and how one's lack of empathy must have harmed him and wasted many chances in life from him, and blinded him from lots of opportunities and made him lose where one could've easily won, all that had a hell of an effect on me when i found out I had NPD. This developed through four stages so far:

Anger ( at the world and myself and the books and the people who assure me that I have NDP and thus confirm my lethal ignorance)

Fear ( of this unknown world which I was scared of in the first place because it was filled by mean and unpredictable people, and now I add to this that even the little I thought i knew about their strange ways is lacking, and that I probably know nothing at all, and hence, until I learn what empathy is and catch up with what i have been missing, I am in GREAT DANGER)

Shame ( because after calming down and allowing my brain to work again, I realise that it is not the world in general and every one in it in particular that is mean, unethical and unpredictable, but that it is actually me who fits those descriptions)

Fighting Back ( feeling that I owe my self-image(my only true love) a lot.I turned him down by allowing myself to be deluded and failing to be a perfect person entitled to all the good things in life. instead of achieving this, I only achieved the shameful status of an NPD. Therefore, I must gather my strength and fight back this NPD imperfection thing until it is fully obliterated. if NPD means I am haughty I will force myself to learn modesty. If it means I am a compulsive liar, I would force myself to be more honest and direct than anyone alive, etc.


Of course in the first three stages, it is very unwise to expect a Narc to be rational when you reveal his true essence to him/her. At that stage, it is more of an accusation, or a threat, or a nightmare he/she wants to escape from than an attempt to help. Of course he/she would not be in the mode to share that shame.

In the fourth stage however, things would get better, and he/she would be far more appreciative for your (or anybody's) help to "win the next battle".

memme23 wrote:But, in my case narcissism is an addiction to delusion that relieves the fear of shame and being unloved.
...
We have to face shame and other things to be cured

Learn well, you do (young Jedi). I was watching a new SLC video tonight and thought of you. He talks about mindfulness (I linked to guided mindfulness videos earlier in this thread) and learning to become "pH neutral" in your mind, to recognize what's you and what are unhealthy emotions driving you.

SpartanLifeCoach - Beating CPTSD In The Face With A Big Zen Stick (Pete Walker Style)

[Warning: He uses the F word twice]

At 13:00 he talks about, learning to think "that's good enough." I liked that. A lot of my problem has been nothing is ever good enough. I couldn't just exist in the moment and be me.

hi guys

i believe narcissism is a desire-fear driven addiction

caused by attachment to something that brings fear and relief of this fear at same time


for example, viewing others as monsters can make feeling like a victim addicting

being shameful can make feeling proud an addiction

for me, 99.5% of people are in narcissisus

but few realize, and others are not abusive because they have easier abasteciment , for having easies form of feeding such as having good friends, and a mind that is content and dont search for more, to know the truth

so narcissism is fear-desire addiction

and the cure is the end of attachment to the addiction