Narcissism has a cure

memme23 wrote:if the cause of narcissism is solar plexus imbalance

then meditating on the center of the chest might give some insights

i think narcissistss lack gut feelings and that is a evidence that narcissism is solar plexus

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oaSnngjELb8

Yes, in narcissists the solar plexus chakra (power and competence) is weakest. Grandiose/overt Ns overcompensate for its weakness by acting arrogant, entitled, grandiose, etc. But inside they feel powerless. Part of my healing regime is, in fact, meditating on the 3rd chakra (solar plexus). I always have the strongest emotional reaction to that one too.

Truth too late wrote:

memme23 wrote:i was rein800 hahaha but i was just so arrogant

I hope we didn't make you feel like you did something wrong. I didn't see anything.

memme23 wrote:but i insist in the idea narcissism is fear of others, associated with closed heart chakra, ego and addiction to bad habits that comforts fear in a false way

I don't think that's an inaccurate way to say it. But, I think there's more. I focus on some very specific things like pride/shame. I think it's an abundance of false pride on top of shame. I can see how false anger arises when someone touches the false pride. So, love would be the authentic response to authentic shame. I see your point about that kind of ying/yang stuff. (I call things like this Evil Zen because it's opposite of what I practiced. It has that karma effect on my mind.).

Did you ever look at EFT/Tapping? It involves chakras. It helps me. But, I don't know if it's just the "power of suggestion" (which is proven to work). It only works when you can state the source of the anxiety. (Like, "I can't fix the past, but that doesn't change what I know about myself and how I live in the present."). I'm not sure I'm just soothing myself with repeated assertions, or if there's something to the chakras. (I've never cared enough to try it both ways to see if I notice a difference.).

I'm not trying to contradict you. It might just be a different western vs. eastern mindset. It has to make sense to me, whereas you might get to the same place through guided meditation.

However, I think it's a deformed psychological structure that can't be made like new. Just improved using techniques like this. I hope you're cured. But, I don't think I can be. (But, knowing myself is immensely better than it was.).

Ladywith3cats wrote:Yes, in narcissists the solar plexus chakra (power and competence) is weakest. Grandiose/overt Ns overcompensate for its weakness by acting arrogant, entitled, grandiose, etc. But inside they feel powerless. Part of my healing regime is, in fact, meditating on the 3rd chakra (solar plexus). I always have the strongest emotional reaction to that one too.

i ve gone deep in this things now

the imbalance on the solar plexus chakra is easilly cured by everyone

here is how the mind become protected from shame/pride

when we have pleasure or pain, it is so strong that we get cracked and identify with itthe thing is that we lack to perceive this pleasure or pain as na impermanent characteristic of our lifes,
this create an image of ourself that shocks with others, and is Always looking to compare itself in a miserable way wich lowers self-esteem
for example , a women or a man, if she or he feels alot of pleasure in intercouse, if she or he identifies with that, they would be creating a big ego

the thing on lack of empath may certainly be this identity
meditating on the solar plexus chakra

the way to open the solar plexus is to understand our potential is not limited
the thing is that viewing others as inferior, also blocks the solar plexus chakra

the motive is the same, ego
http://www.taoism.net/theway/ego

solar plexus is linked with actions, and that is interesting, since when you open your solar plexus, you will become a much more generous person
it is the house of intuition, and this intuition includes others in consideration
also the center of joy

i dont suffer with narcissism anymore, so should you try that

the thing is labelling ourselves with things as narcissist, and its characteristics is an action that brings low self -esteem, and ego



this very meditation helped me> feeling the center of the chest as an open ball


somethings i will share is that my arms used to go forward, ver y close to the chest
they used to express control and hostility
now it is open, like a more open person, it is joy and courage
and i feel empathetic joy

i think, since there are lots of narcissists around, we shouldnt be much receptive to others actions

but the memories of the narcissistic past may bring shame, or remember this energy of a blocked solar plexus chakra and this might make narcissism back

i just read, solar plexus is all about how you feel power, and how you deal with joy

it feels like on narcissism, we get bitter on the idea of joy, maybe even envy towards others joy
or we get hooked by negative joy right? this is not what we really want deep, but the mind is like that and that blocks our generosity

and discovering this makes me feel very joyful

this thing on identifying with pleasure then, it is a form of ignorance, that leads to lack of empath, that makes one to get hooked to joy in negative ways, since they do not have the empath to enjoy the biggest and healthir form of joy, that is feeling all you can do of good, and you carry with yourself is possible to be given to others, to feel generous about your happiness and empathetic toward others

the ego and fear are also causes of solar plexus issues

and ego is built by fear,desire and attachment

because we get hooked by desire, we attach, creating ilusions of permanence and a EGO,

because we fear, we are conscious about a self that is separate and that is, ego

so , things narcissist share in common are attachment and lack of insight (avija) hehe

working on insight with the right things in mind, we get into respect

respecting others, is another subject on the solar plexus

but the idea of a person , standing there, a person who has any permanent characteristics, even the mind is the cause of ignorance, if we get hooked into this permanent self, we look at things in a i want to survive perspective, because we fear rejection, we fear being humilhated, destructed
and this leads to negative forms of joy, wrong actions and every kind of thing about the solar plexus
this closes heart chakra

here is how our potential is to be called limitless >

from a reincarnation beliefer perspective, every time we die, our mind and body die too, and our desire, ignorance, aversion leads to reincarnation according to our past lifes karma

because our mind, body, and everything we are die together, we canot find a self to call I, our mindset gets changed, and it even changes when we learn something new

but, realizing the impermanent self is less than dropping this EGO concept, it seems also that it is important to understand your heart chakra is closed, if you feel no love at all , to associate with positive forms of joy and give insight on how great it is to have a healthy solar plexus chakra

even after opening solar plexus, we can have a heart chakra that carry aversion, discriminative love, selfish love,

that comes with good third eye

and the intent to refuse existant situations is the enemy of third eye^^, making the awareness about one mind, thoughts and feelings the thing that actually open the tthird eye

allowing great empath, if associated with health heart chakra and solar plexus hehe

memme23 wrote:it feels like on narcissism, we get bitter on the idea of joy, maybe even envy towards others joy

I feel joy when I have power. My envy is unusual. I don't have a grudge if someone else has joy, if I think they deserve it, earned it. It's when I don't have respect for the other person, their joy is false and self-made.

It's all very subjective because I'm projecting. I know my joy comes from my own manufactured effort to be larger than I am. So, if a manager at work was too smug or lighthearted (for the leadership qualities they possess), I would paint them black. But, if I liked the style of a manager I would almost give them my job (a sycophant).

I think you're on the right track. I'm not convinced it's as easy as meditation to face the depth of the disorder. But, I can see how it is an archetype for the core behavioral problems.

Truth too late wrote:

memme23 wrote:it feels like on narcissism, we get bitter on the idea of joy, maybe even envy towards others joy

I feel joy when I have power. My envy is unusual. I don't have a grudge if someone else has joy, if I think they deserve it, earned it. It's when I don't have respect for the other person, their joy is false and self-made.

It's all very subjective because I'm projecting. I know my joy comes from my own manufactured effort to be larger than I am. So, if a manager at work was too smug or lighthearted (for the leadership qualities they possess), I would paint them black. But, if I liked the style of a manager I would almost give them my job (a sycophant).

I think you're on the right track. I'm not convinced it's as easy as meditation to face the depth of the disorder. But, I can see how it is an archetype for the core behavioral problems.

adding on that, i think that a habit can be the cause of constantly blocking this energy

inferiority complex as a conjuct of habits that lead one to view things in a way that they are Always refering to thoughts like, "im failure", or "you are claiming superiority" "you have problem with myself" =(

i used to feel like that

and then there is the habit of self conscioussness, like, self conscioussness is a habit that can exist in a reverse way,by viewing others as being self consciouss, we can create an empathetic self conscioussness that make the belief of a self

then i think this all is somehow related to fear

maybe , for example, in the case of complex of inferiority , a person in past had the fear of inferiority , then situations caused the mind to attach to the pattern of thinking habits that have fear of being not inferior, leading one to have thoughts of others claiming superiority in any action they take that possibly involves the false notion of a self
then this caused complex of inferiority, that are nothing but, habits driven by a fear

or maybe in the case of complex of inferiority, people in past were narcissitical, and then , there was developed a pattern of thinking habits that is always interpreting things in a way that people are claiming superiority

i think the cause that intrigue the most is the parents who were very selfish and fearful, and this is a reason to feel intense feelings of violation of rights to anyone who applies
this selfish parents were so afraid of losing power, that they constantly focused on making child under the spell of complex of inferiority, putting them on control...

making them afraid of steping out of this pattern of thinking habits , associating with the security of their lifes
how outrageous

now im feeling excess on the solar plexus xD

but it might be like a person who , as anyone , cause harm one or other time in day, but dont perceive it for feeling

blaming is an ally of the ego, and it perverts our mind, because it is anger
will bring a lot of bad karma of solar plexus
so i recommend anyone reading to avoid blaming, and aceppt your past as resultant of past karma

but i was shameless to talk about blame as if i dont get hooked too

i dont mean shame on a self
but on my actions

here is how i think anger will cause great harm> it is the intent of making others unhappy
kkarma is intent, and the intent of making others unhappy create misery

in my case i didnt had someone especific to blame

but the topic holds the cure to narcissism

please dont take it less seriously because im apologyzing hehe

now that i mentioned karma, i think it is from my responsability to say

that if you get obsessive with karma... you will definely unbalance your chakra system

if you take it in a selfish way

but in good intent way (without fear) is ok

A narcissist does not intentionally run from their feelings. We simply process them differently. I am able to communicate with another narc just perfectly. They understand 'my feelings' and I understand theirs. The only problem I see, is people like you, that do not understand 'our feelings'.

Perhaps.. you need to be cured? I think so.

Your feelings, as the majority population, are different and thus you simply cannot comprehend ours as being valid, because they do not process or make sense to you.

You cannot understand what you are not. We feel as deep, if not deeper than you.. Just differently.

One cannot cure personality traits. One can only change through life experiences one has personally or through forced suppression. You cannot tell someone how to be 'cured' of something that is part of whom they are and something that is certainly not inherently wrong. A narc can function perfectly in society as they are. Why would they change for you or anyone? Because it makes you feel better? How sweet. Let's know how this works out for you with the narc in your life.

'NPD' is simply a label for someone that operates, thinks, feels and processes differently than the majority of the population. It is not something that can be 'cured', as it is not as disease.

memme23 wrote:i think narcissistss lack gut feelings and that is a evidence that narcissism is solar plexus https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oaSnngjELb8

I tried that earlier today. It seemed about the same as the mindfulness videos. It seems like it's good for grounding, being in the "here and now."

I try to be ecumenical. If you feel you're cured, or that chakra meditation is the answer for you, that's great. I completely agree that the different between being self-aware and ignorant of one's disorder is like night and day. I often feel "cured" by comparison. But, I don't think I really am. (There's no way to know, since I have nothing to compare to.).

Maybe I'm imposing a definition on the word cure which doesn't exist. I just looked, and it says: "Something that corrects or relieves a harmful or disturbing situation." I could go alone with that. I've been heavily corrected and relieved. Not 100%. But, it seems "cure" doesn't have to be 100%.

once again the cure is pain and venerability
nps is your armor and weapon
who wants to go into a fight naked
npd is the cure for venerability