Narcissism in Film and on TV

Burke wrote:

narcbolan wrote:Soltice overreacted to an instruction from someone who was in the right because he percieved it as an injury. It was neither an injury nor was it hurtful.

Oh, I completely disagree with this. Narcbolan here seems to be invalidating someone else's feelings. Telling someone else what is or is not hurtful to them seems wildly inappropriate, because no one can truly know what is hurtful to another person. And Narcbolan also says that he was in the right? That is a highly Narcissistic thing to say. I really think we ought to question whether this individual is appropriately suited to be a mod on this sub-forum.

Feminsts are always telling me I'm overreacting to what I perceive as their overreactions.

Who's to say who's feeling what? Seems obvious most of the times, as most people can relate to the slight, and even to the degree of the slight, by merely playing a scenario in their minds where they are in the place of the person who was slighted, PLUS doing a little "math" in their minds, to see who initiated what, how many X times somebody had to put up with the Y situation, or who is more worthy of pity or solidarity at that instant.

But sometimes, it isn't clear at all. I have a way of managing that. I simply try to see who is being more "agressive". Who is "invading a territory". Who is trying to claim this or that for himself and who is the receiver of that agression. When two people respect each other and their respective integrity and space, they mantain a passive stance, where both validate each other's feelings and try to only persuade the other when there is logic, instead of a need or desire. Needs and desires are selfish, often. If you act with logic, as in balancing the outcomes of a situation with common good as a goal, then peace is easy to achive. Spock does it! Impulses and personal belief are for the evil romulans.

twistednerve wrote:Who's to say who's feeling what?

Good point, twistednerve. I just got annoyed seeing a mod invalidate someone else's feelings like that.

Thanks Burke! We haven't heard a peep out of him since our little spat. He'll have retreated to his high narcissistic bubble to wollow in guilt, I shouldn't wonder. solstice1962.

Roses are red.
Violets are blue.
Daffodils are .....

MeAgain wrote:Thanks Burke! We haven't heard a peep out of him since our little spat. He'll have retreated to his high narcissistic bubble to wollow in guilt, I shouldn't wonder. solstice1962.

Roses are red.
Violets are blue.
Daffodils are .....

I'm always happy to be supportive of someone who is just trying to express their feelings.

What color are daffodils?

The Alien films are my favourites, by the way!

Like us, it depends which variety they are. They're usually a pale yellowey shade!

http://youtu.be/LKUfnOvN5Hc

The movie "Ordinary People." Beth Jarrett (Mary Tyler Moore)-- a perfect example of an upper middle class high functioning Malignant Narcissist, and evil as it's possible to be.

This movie was incredibly triggering for me because her character is an exact replica of my own mother (who was slightly more somatic-Histrionic), even down to the impatient, dismissive mannerisms, haughty pretentiousness, fake smile, and clipped speech. She scapegoats her son Conrad (Timothy Hutton), possibly Avoidant or fragile/covert N with Borderline traits, who reminds me so much of myself at his age. My reactions to my mother were almost identical to his. Her husband (Donald Sutherland) is clearly codependent. I remember being upset for days after I first saw this back in the early 80s. How could I not have become disordered being raised by a mother like this?

This scene shows a typical interaction between mother and son.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EcxB2iCU3w8

creative_nothing wrote:

NimplyDinply wrote:

creative_nothing wrote:
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Frank Underwood is probably a Malignant Narcissist, and actually a pretty good representation of one. He is calm, highly calculating, strategic, paranoid, and a megalomaniac. I would differentiate his type of NPD from the Narcissism of Leo DiCaprio's character in Wolf of Wall Street, who was a good example of someone on the NPD/AsPD crossover portion of the spectrum. Note how DiCaprio's character is very high-energy, likes to take risks, needs a lot of stimulation, etc. Those characters are both Narcissistic and sociopathic, yet they seem to be on completely different parts of the spectrum.


Why do you think Frank Underwood is a psychiatric case.
Sure he is a bit sociopathic/narcissistic, but does that make him a psychiatric case?

I doubt he is just "a bit". If he took the Dark Triad test, I bet he would score very high on it

He is extremelly machiavelic, but that doesnt make a PD.

Is he paranoid? Yes, but on his field paranoia is adaptative.

He has a wife that loves him, is sucessful in what he does, and never been in trouble with the law(at least on the episodes I've watched).

He is on the border of psycopathy and an agressive personality, but he doesnt seem to cross this border IMO.

This topic was revisited, as I was watching the second season.

Oddly, he does show some true concern not only for his wife, but to Freddy.

Yes, I know a psycopath can be compassionate at times, but his relation to Freddy is interesting.

By the way, is his relation to Claire also non psycopathic? This is the thing that would rule out psycopathy for me.

Maybe some psycopaths are capable of genuine attachment?

Ps.I wouldnt rule it out for his simpathy for Freddy.

IMO, I do not think Claire is more able of genuine attachment than Frank so far (I am not coming from a judgmental position here, some nons as well struggle with depth of feeling). As demonstrated by her relationship with her lover. There could be love there, but she is unable to allow herself to get there. Instead she comes back to Frank, and does the only thing she sadly thinks she is good at, basking in the glow. But this time, with the added benefit, of getting some glow directed directly onto herself (the United Nations post). In other words she renounces totally a sense of aliveness that she seems to feel she cannot access in exchange to "be something". Looking forward to see how her character is gonna evolve...

Spoiler: they part ways in Season 3 whilst President and First Lady!