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Re: Narcissism in Film and on TV

Postby Truth too late » Sat Jun 13, 2015 7:20 pm

I think Deputy Barney Fife (Andy Griffith Show) was a perfect parody of a narcissist. He's meek and timid by nature, always overcompensates, prone to narcissistic injury. In this scene he brags about knowing history:



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I never seen you looking so bad my funky one / You tell me that your superfine mind has come undone (Steely Dan, Any Major Dude)
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Re: Narcissism in Film and on TV

Postby Esquire » Sat Jun 13, 2015 7:55 pm

The two best examples in modern media of what NPD actually looks like, as portrayed in fictional characters, are Basil Fawlty from Fawlty Towers, and Nicole Kidman's character from the film To Die For.

Fawlty is played by John Cleese, who tends to write NPD characters into his shows and movies and who does give off an NPD vibe himself from what I've read. Fawlty is the owner and proprietor of a bed and breakfast, which he treats as his own personal fiefdom, believing himself to be more important than he actually is, while also being extremely conflict-averse, and hiding behind his wife's skirt whenever confrontation is needed or whenever things go awry. He has no empathy, and in one episode, someone dies of natural causes in his hotel and he spends the entire episode frantically running around trying to make sure that he won't be held liable for it, while the dead body is laying there in the bed the whole time. He's also neurotic about sex and is a good example of an overt Cerebral Narcissist.

In To Die For, Kidman plays what is probably an overt Somatic Narcissist. Her character is the popular girl who has a grandiose idea of herself as a world famous news anchor, and who will stop at nothing to fulfill her destiny. She also frequently seems envious of others, needs to be seen by everyone in a specific way, and forms relationships that are exploitative in nature. She is largely unaware of what she is doing and likes to speak in lengthy monologues about herself.
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Re: Narcissism in Film and on TV

Postby bitty » Sat Jun 13, 2015 10:40 pm

Esquire wrote:Fawlty is the owner and proprietor of a bed and breakfast, which he treats as his own personal fiefdom, believing himself to be more important than he actually is, while also being extremely conflict-averse, and hiding behind his wife's skirt whenever confrontation is needed or whenever things go awry.

Esquire, why is it that we narcissists are conflict-averse, do you think? Just like Fawlty, I bounce from being bossy to being obsequious, but am absolutely incapable of being straightforwardly assertive, which causes me problems sometimes. I think that it is because I absolutely cannot stand being disliked by anybody. Or, being responsible for upsetting them, because then I'm in trouble, and will have to dig myself out, as you've said elsewhere.

(Sorry, solstice, I'm derailing the thread again. In answer to the question of narcissism in film and on tv, what about Stewie in Family Guy?)
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Re: Narcissism in Film and on TV

Postby HR_p » Sun Jun 14, 2015 12:52 am

Walter White (it may have really been Bryan Cranston himself coming through).

I came to the Breaking Bad party late, and watched the entire series over a period of ten days of sickness, just after the series ended.

The groggy head, the sleepless nights with useless flu medicine, and hour after hour of Walter (victim-villain) were the catalysts for me in solving a mystery about someone.

The experience moved me from confusion, hurt and helpless self-doubt to a mission of strength, understanding and forgiveness.
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Re: Narcissism in Film and on TV

Postby Truth too late » Sun Jun 14, 2015 1:14 am

Breaking Bad reminded me of the series Dexter. I thought Dexter's father, Harry, seemed narcissistic.

It starts out he's Dexter's confidant, the only person who knows Dexter's psycopathy and teaching him how to be normal (and channel the "urges" into social good by killing the people who deserve it, the "code"). But, then you find out Harry wasn't as altruistic as Dexter was led to believe. Harry had an affair with Dexter's mother. Harry was using the mother as an informant, leading to the event which made Dexter the way he was.

It seemed like Harry was imposing perfection on Dexter. Holding him to a standard Harry didn't live to.
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Postby Truth too late » Sun Jun 14, 2015 6:25 am

Dr. Zachary Smith in the old 1960's Lost In Space television series. His grandiosity is what I always thought of as narcissism. He's why I didn't see myself this way (not realizing there is a covert type. He's a prototype of the harsh inner-critic in my head.).

He stowed away on the spacecraft, causing it to be lost in space. In every episode he engages in the same behavior. He'll switch from fake ingratiation, to haughtiness, to self-entitled careless behavior which puts everyone at risk of peril on some remote planet.

Later in life he discusses his character. Lots of scenes:

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Re: Narcissism in Film and on TV

Postby solstice1962 » Sun Jun 14, 2015 9:53 am

http://youtu.be/D_ubwE3IJhY

Walt Disney's "The Kid". The narcissistic perfectionist. Mild/fragile NPD.
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Re: Narcissism in Film and on TV

Postby solstice1962 » Sun Jun 14, 2015 10:28 am

http://youtu.be/-8hfyRVR-S0

" Does This Mean We're Married" (1991). Two non clinical Fragile Ns (male an avoidant) find each other. The final scene of the film shows that the director is self aware.
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Re: Narcissism in Film and on TV

Postby easyfromhere » Sun Jun 14, 2015 3:05 pm

Hercule Poirot played by David Suchet, my favourite show probably.....
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Re: Narcissism in Film and on TV

Postby Truth too late » Sun Jun 14, 2015 7:00 pm

easyfromhere wrote:Hercule Poirot played by David Suchet, my favourite show probably.....


That brings to mind Benedict Cumberbatch as Sherlock Holmes. Here's 3 minutes of high-minded insults. (I like the one where he says "I envy you so much. Your mind, straightforward, simplicity, barely used."):

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