Myers-Briggs Personality Test

I'm an ENTP as well.

Man, this sounds a lot like me.

Wait, they all do.
This is like reading your horoscope...

BUT THAT IS WHAT AN ENTP WOULD SAY!!

This whole website is literally exactly the same as astrology websites.

I believe in astrology, but I know this business model doesn't apply to it.

Man, so many failed psychologists are selling "personality maps".. And people love it! People literally love to take tests and receive texts that explain how they work. Often, these will be so broadly put but so detailed that any person can get any of them, and think it will work.

People have a strong desire for self knowledge - I think it gives them pride or something to be safe. I'm not sure...

Working as an astrologer that did'nt accept money or anything as payment, I have to say how awful it is that a lot of people can charge for this kind of service.
Psychologists do that a lot in my country too, and try to sell to big companies the idea they can judge candidates through screenings based on this type of moronic pseudoscience.

I remember when a girlfriend of mine felt so "secure" about herself, and that she was choosing the right things in life, after buying one of these tests from a psychologist that advised young enterpreneurs. It's like she started to reenforce what she read about her "personality". After a while, her life was the exact same (according to her) sh!t, so she felt cheated of ~what would be around ~180 american dollars~.

Psychologists = shamans/gurus/priests/astrologers pretending what they do is science, just because it has some data here and there.

Alright, this is getting a little too anti-psych forums. Sorry.

Wonder why people like getting their personalities mapped and tested. This has been around for thousands of years!

But yeah, I think this personality test can apply to anyone. Bogus.

TN, you took more effort analyzing why "tests" are rubbish than anyone else here

twistednerve wrote:People have a strong desire for self knowledge - I think it gives them pride or something to be safe. I'm not sure...

That's only natural. Self knowledge and curiosity of how others possibly view you.

Man people are touchy and on bad mood today.

twistednerve wrote:Man, so many failed psychologists are selling "personality maps".. And people love it! People literally love to take tests and receive texts that explain how they work. Often, these will be so broadly put but so detailed that any person can get any of them, and think it will work.

People have a strong desire for self knowledge - I think it gives them pride or something to be safe. I'm not sure...

Psychologists = shamans/gurus/priests/astrologers pretending what they do is science, just because it has some data here and there.

Wonder why people like getting their personalities mapped and tested. This has been around for thousands of years!

I think the one responsible for making this "shamanism" a science called psychology was Freud.

Jung reverted some of the problems Freud created with his theory with the concept of "Introversion". But this has a century old.

Personality models created later include the categoricals like Enneagram, John M. Oldham Personality Styles and the dimesionals, Big Five, Eysenck PEN and Cloninger TCI.

Indeed as you mentioned these categoricals models serve more to people find a label to themselves.

Now John Oldham models is worthy to analise people and PDs. It was created based as non-disordered variants of DSM-III. So instead of saying I( or someone else) is schizoid, people could say that they are solitary, and instead of paranoid vigilant, instead of histrionic dramatic and so on. And althought people love saying someone is psycopath or a narcissists, PDs should be kept inside professional psychiatry.

About the dimensional models by far the Big Five is the most popular, but I found Cloninger model the best. Unfortunetly most of his work is copyrighted. I particulary like by two reason.

First he divides what is temperament and biological/immutable to what is character and can change. Cloninger himself was not only a psychiatrist but also a geneticist. That make his model very useful for diagnosing personality disorders.

Secondly, the temperament has correspondence with specific neurotransmitters activity and dont look like random associations made on the Big Five. I see no reason for Anxiousness, Angry hostility, Depressiveness, Self-consciousness, Impulsivity and Vulnerability are on the same "basket" called Neuroticism on the Big Five.

WendyTorrance wrote:TN, you took more effort analyzing why "tests" are rubbish than anyone else here

twistednerve wrote:People have a strong desire for self knowledge - I think it gives them pride or something to be safe. I'm not sure...

That's only natural. Self knowledge and curiosity of how others possibly view you.

Man people are touchy and on bad mood today.

It never occurred to me that these tests were being sold online. But I knew astrology websites.

It baffled me they're selling those.
And the layout /reading-link flow of the website is almost identicial to astrology websites, too. hahaha

Each one of those tests costs 16,99. A method called 16 personality types being sold for 16 dollars would make certain kinds of personality to buy them. Genius! hahahaha


Who is touchy and in a bad mood?

@stirner:

You got me really interested on C. Robert Cloninger. I'm going to read that up.

Let them sell, we're not buying.

twistednerve wrote:Who is touchy and in a bad mood?

Let's keep that as a secret then

WendyTorrance wrote:Let them sell, we're not buying.

twistednerve wrote:Who is touchy and in a bad mood?

Let's keep that as a secret then

Got it

Sorry, i'm quick to analyze, judge and critisize.

And I do it while being on a great mood, and I can change my opinions 180º a few moments later whilst finding a logical reason to do so that will be explained in my botched english.

It's because I'm an ENTP with a Mercury in Aries, bare with me.

ISTJ - Assertive variant

wwatermelon wrote:

WendyTorrance wrote:

stirner wrote:P for the Millon's disingenuous subtype but and J for the appeasing subtype.

P - Perception vs. J - Judgment caught my eye here, throughout the answers.
High in judgment could indicate low in empathy.

I cannot decide if I'm J or P. I always score around 50%-50% on that scale.
I like orderliness and I can be quite dictatorial indeed, but also I like to have fun sometimes and sometimes I'm pretty chilled and disorganised, more flexible and adaptable. I always alternate between organised-disorganised depending on how much energy I have for the thing. I like to plan everything out perfectly, but then I fail to follow the plans I make. It's horrible really.

I'm very similar. I typically come out a P but am bordering on being a J. I PREFER things to be clean and organized, but I'm more of the type of person that kind of accumulates a mess before cleaning and organizing it all again. I don't really like routine/structure as it bores the hell out of me, but at the same time, there are certain things that I always want to be very exact and certain things I do actually do every single day, so I do have some sort of loose routine. I'm not so good at carrying out long term plans, as it usually requires a lot of consistency and dedication to a routine to achieve something in the long term, however, I can be very, very good at planning out and carrying things through in order to achieve shorter term goals.

lolidk wrote:
the type of person that kind of accumulates a mess before cleaning and organizing it all again.

Agreed, this is 100% me.