How the brain works: Removing doubt

I don't think I've seen this explained anywhere, it was simply something I thought of, something that naturally resulted from all the thinking done for the dissecting NPD thread.

Here's how the brain works explained so you can understand it.

The brain is constantly removing doubts. This is what all the self-talk is about, this is what half of people behavior is about, that is what narcissism is definitely about.

A person, especially an NPDer desires a certain situation or something and fears a certain situation or something(infact multiple situations reactively focused on). All the self-talk and a lot of conversations and especially behavior is about removing doubt that the desired situation is true and about assuring that the feared situation is not true.

Most of our "problematic"/aroused interaction with people is about - removing doubt. The things you say to people like 'I'm a strong person' is mostly likely the desired situation. Saying it out loud and the others around the person allowing it(not arguing it) proves the desired situation to be true, but only for so long. This is a very simple example.

NPDers tend to chronically be busy with removing doubt. The NPDer intimidating is removing doubt about controlling the object(desired state). The NPD devaluing is about removing doubt that the person is worthless(desired state), if the person agrees - the desired state is achieved, if it does not agree - the NPDer rages on until desired state is reached. The NPDer opening his mouth and saying anything is removing doubt that the other person is paying attention to them and removing doubt that they can say something interesting. Literally. But then again, how many of you NoNs have started conversations with fake humility just to remove doubt about someone being still angry at you?

See how that works?

That's the dynamics of communication in a nutshell - communication is about removing doubt or in other words - two people agreeing on a single truth.

This is all you need to know to understand yourself, just listen to your self-talk, it will tell you everything. Listen to other people talk, they will tell you everything they don't want you to know. Listen to yourself talk..

Hi addx,
How can you blow up your self talk and doubts about yourself when you actually truly feel you are inadequate?

Uh, sorry, I'm about to write a long answer but I'm not sure I understood the question right, can you reword it in some other way?

Hi addx,
If you think you are inadequate and have the proof.... You don't have the degree or the car you always wanted. You don't have the girl. So you feel you are right to doubt yourself. You have this broken record playing in your brain telling you you are a worthless bit of S##t.
When you are down like that and really full of self doubt how can you overcome the self talk. Because as I told you, you know you are right. And right is right sort of like an absolute truth.
Marg

Don't buy the idea all narcissists are wracked with doubt, deep insincerities and trauma.
Its a old theory anyway, not fact.
My narc mother is happy, never been depressed and is not 'traumatised' or wracked with doubt. She just inflicted that stuff on everyone else, mostly her children.
Its simple she was born like it, has no empathy. Took after her father.
I think its only a matter of time before narcissists/psychopaths will be diagnosed by brain scans rather than guesswork.
Narcissism IMO is something you are born with.
Could it be caused by environment in some cases? Probably yes. Like schizophrenia which I understand to be genetic , but is thought sometimes to be causes by a toxic environment.
I was ignored, neglected, rejected by mother, a 'Wire Mummy' I never remember being hugged, kissed, cuddled or told I was loved.
I am damaged, hurt, but not a narcissist so it cannot be all about trauma as a child. It has to be something you are born with or at least have a predisposition to.
IMO the idea that all narcissists are traumatised souls has been brought about by the fact that only the overtly traumatised ones are the ones who come to notice of psychiatrists or the powers that be.
They are the tip of the iceberg.
Most narcs will never be diagnosed, covert and secret in their abuses. Some, like my mother have not been abused as children, she had a good mum.

margharris wrote:Hi addx,
If you think you are inadequate and have the proof.... You don't have the degree or the car you always wanted. You don't have the girl. So you feel you are right to doubt yourself. You have this broken record playing in your brain telling you you are a worthless bit of S##t.
When you are down like that and really full of self doubt how can you overcome the self talk. Because as I told you, you know you are right. And right is right sort of like an absolute truth.
Marg

Ah, you always get me going

Well, this needs to be understood better then.

The self-talk at that time is about the person removing doubt that the desired situation is true, as said.

The desired situation is "people are bought with money, respect is bought with power". This situation is desired because the person(narcissist) is only able to understand money and power and if the world is setup the way they desire it to be set up, then the narcissist feels there is a possible way for him to achieve these things that other people achieve - have friends that respect them. Money and power are obtainable in very well known ways that the narcissist understands.

So, the self-talk is really about removing doubt that the world is set up in this delusional way. We are doubting it because our position relative to the delusion is bad(we feel inadequate) so we are prone to doubt it because it puts us in a bad position.

The self-talk is normally about the inner child bouncing off its thoughts against awareness of reality. It is supposed to get a real reflection back, but instead, with NPD and other disorders, the awareness of reality is blocked/replaced by the desire for this different, delusional reality created by the inner child. And the thoughts of the inner child are bounced against this delusion meant to protect the inner child. Since they are bounced of a delusion rather than reality the inner child gets a skewed reflection back because of that and feels "off" to how it should in reality.

Removing doubt that the world is set up like this causes the person to actually confirm that it needs to feel bad(because the person has no money or power), but removes doubt that the world is be ordered as they need it to be(the world is run by money and power) - because that's a bigger fear. This is how you find yourself in your self talk. Whenever your self talk is making you feel bad, think of the delusion it's being bounced off, this is what's really bothering you.

People actually do this in conversations. Remove doubts about their delusions by bouncing them off of other people in conversations. By doing this, they determine that the other person shares their delusion which makes it more true and allies the person because they share the same notion of reality. Narcs do this all the time. They are so anxious to remove doubt about their desires - this is infact mostly called "validating" here on the forum, but I feel this explanation here goes much deeper to understanding what really goes on.

Yorkshire, the delusions I'm talking about are subconscious for a narc. He doesn't know he's removing doubt about them usually in compulsive manner. But he is doing it and every successful attempt gives him elation because his delusion is proven to be true. This why my text here is infact important because it explains the way to see what the delusions behind the doubt removing behavior are.

The narc has many delusions. For example one most basic and common is that he knows everything worth knowing. This one is the one stopping him from taking into account other peoples opinion. But he keeps having to remove doubt about it by validating his opinion against others. He keeps telling them what he knows and expecting them to agree. He needs to do this, over and over again. This is what most of you call supply. While it is infact removing doubt. And is infact what I'm, for example, doing here on the forum.

In short: people compusively need to remove doubt about the validity of their superego rules(delusions) when the same rules put them in a bad position. These rules/delusions are subconscious.

Here's a list of the rules/delusions I identified so far.

1. Domination is important (all narcs)

and from that stem the others which stick on a narc as he goes through life and is introduced to any of these:

2. Knowledge proves domination (cerebral)
3. Money proves domination (cerebral and somatic)
4. Power proves domination (cerebral and somatic)
5. Morality proves domination (covert)
6. Looks prove domination (somatic)
7. Strength proves domination (somatic)
8. Attention proves domination (cerebral and somatic)


Most of narc self-talk, behavior and conversation is about removing doubt about these listed delusions in connection with the root/mother delusion at position number 1.


So you see, when a narc makes a smart conclusion and shares it with his surroundings he is

1. Removing doubt about the fact he is smart.
2. Removing doubt about the fact that smart is domination.
3. Removing doubt about the fact that he is dominating.

4. He feels happy so domination must be important

So you see: Triple whammy elation if people around him agree to his conclusion.

If we dismantle the root delusion about domination, the others fall apart as well. I think I have done it and dherpin as well.

I no longer feel it important to be better than other people at anything and I don't really believe in domination any more. I feel like I can't be dominated and also don't see it as something real - which is infact the reason why I feel I can't be dominated. Domination is not real.

I only find it important to have a grip on reality and keeping my life and people I like together and happy. The only thing I'm still obsessing about is this what I'm doing on the forum.

I know why this obsessing happening so I do not care to stop it. I fear this project at work might fail so I got caught in the fear denying desire/obsession: "If I figure out how the mind works I'll make my living off that and become famous which makes my fear about the project irrelevant."
The more problems there are with the project, the more I escape to here. But I believe I'm making progress here so I'm not really that sure I should try to shutdown this obsession... at least for the time being.

Addx you are one amazing incredible individual. Your insight knows no bounds, I have a profound respect for your words. I really encourage you to gather your posts and compile them into a book, you have the ability to help so many.

update: I noticed changes in my brain, I had headaches, good ones, things were going on.

Hi addx,
So your theory on doubt is about domination and the lack or fear of; but I have it Addx.
I don't think I doubt at all. I am strong, I am very very strong. Don't get in my way or I will make you pay. I prefer to live in the past with my resentment list that helps me know what I have to do now. I have to show everyone I have no doubts. What makes you think I might be deluded?
How does my brain work? Perhaps I am such a success because I have removed doubt?
All you need to do is get angry and stay angry and you can dominate too. I am so successful because I don't let people get away with anything. On a good day I might pummel a puppy. Well perhaps I mean bad day. Well no I mean any day because I don't believe in doubt.
And none of this castration complex in your answer. I am Zena Warrior Princess.

margharris wrote:What makes you think I might be deluded?

this

margharris wrote:I have to show everyone I have no doubts.

there is no everyone, there is only you who needs persuading.

And when you actually do that, there is no need to persuade anyone else, unless you really need something else like having the person join you on some quest/desire.

If there is no such plan, then the need to persuade another person is infact a need to persuade yourself. You are replacing your awareness with an awareness of a separate person. This is infact probably what was wrongly taught in childhood.

If this separate person is submissive, your reflection off it will be too ideal. If the separate person is dominating your reflection off it will be too devaluing. Blah. I need to stop